I would also say, class is NOT solely determined by income.  I would even go so far as to say it is moderately determined by income, so I honestly have no idea if the lady is upper or middle class.  I assume upper class to get the jobs she has had have a whole lot to do with connections than merits (and this is not because she is a woman, this is just how life really works) but I have no idea.  She does certainly seem to be a Karen with her comments in that article, but if she just sticks to x's and o's in her job and makes those comments to satiate the problem children...ok.   Comments comparing black people to gender non-binary sorts though...come on now are we just going to keep making shit up to avoid the reality that the race you are born and being transgender/gay are NOT the same thing? 

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I'm triggered that the DM's name is "Cocks" in a game that has historically been a racist, misogynistic boy's club dominated by incels.

I thought Wizards was trying to do better. Such a disappointment.

You are triggered by "Cocks"?

Let me tell you, I am fucking triggered and literally shaking that D&D is now in the hands of a fat, woke, white, upper-class woman named Williams... again.


Is this even a different person or just a different outfit? Put Gene Weigel and his mighty spiked flail on the case at once!

Overweight is a norm for D&D. Gary was no lightweight. You're not triggered by her weight.
White is the norm. You're not triggered that she's white.
Upper-class is the norm: the job come with an income that automatically makes one upper-class if they were not upper-class before the job. You're not triggered by her class.
In fact I don't think you'd give a crap if this were a man named Williams so it's not Williams that triggers you.

So...you're really triggered it's a woke woman.

The fact that her being a woman would bug you kinda justifies her being more progressive I'd think.

So, obviously he's being sarcastic to make the comparison with Lorraine Williams, who did a lot of damage to D&D, just as scuzzy wokesters like the new Williams are doing now. Only wokesters get Triggered. Normal people get annoyed.

Edit: But fat unattractive women do get less leeway than slim attractive women, obviously. Female wokesters who are not fat & inherently unattractive do often do their best to mitigate this unfair disparity through dyed hair, piercings and tattoos, though.

Quote from: Mistwell on October 16, 2022, 08:33:25 PM

Quote from: Melan on October 15, 2022, 04:21:22 AM

Quote from: Effete on October 14, 2022, 05:29:13 PM
I'm triggered that the DM's name is "Cocks" in a game that has historically been a racist, misogynistic boy's club dominated by incels.

I thought Wizards was trying to do better. Such a disappointment.

You are triggered by "Cocks"?

Let me tell you, I am fucking triggered and literally shaking that D&D is now in the hands of a fat, woke, white, upper-class woman named Williams... again.


Is this even a different person or just a different outfit? Put Gene Weigel and his mighty spiked flail on the case at once!

Overweight is a norm for D&D. Gary was no lightweight. You're not triggered by her weight.
White is the norm. You're not triggered that she's white.
Upper-class is the norm: the job come with an income that automatically makes one upper-class if they were not upper-class before the job. You're not triggered by her class.
In fact I don't think you'd give a crap if this were a man named Williams so it's not Williams that triggers you.

So...you're really triggered it's a woke woman.

The fact that her being a woman would bug you kinda justifies her being more progressive I'd think.

Won't somebody think of the wokescold shitting on our entire demographic? You bastards are obviously triggered by her justifiable attacks on you! 

That article to me just verifiyied everyones concern that they are trying to turn One D&D into an online game.

And that Wizards hires people not due to qualifications, but tokenisim.  Not a surprise.

Quote from: GhostNinja on October 17, 2022, 09:09:12 AM
That article to me just verifiyied everyones concern that they are trying to turn One D&D into an online game.

And that Wizards hires people not due to qualifications, but tokenisim.  Not a surprise.

The new Senior VP was hired based on past experience for online games.  Higher level management does appear to be hired based on merit.  However, content writers are based on race, with Radiant Citadel and Spelljammer 5E as being the most recent examples of lacking quality and the contractors being poor.

Yes D&D One will be an online subscription service and frankly I'm not touching it.  My two cents, if you aren't DM'ing a public game at your local hobby shop, start.  Get people playing in person and resist this crap WotC is shoveling.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on October 17, 2022, 09:37:17 AM
My two cents, if you aren't DM'ing a public game at your local hobby shop, start.  Get people playing in person and resist this crap WotC is shoveling.

Agreed! The fight is won on the ground.

I'm genuinely curious what people think: is "Wokeism" going to burn out some day, and will WOTC ever return to D&D being just a fun fantasy game?

FWIW, I think that we might be rapidly approaching "Peak Wokeism" in our culture--perhaps the Twerking Drag Queens in front of Preschoolers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkZujRnHWNA) or "how to" gay sex manuals in Middle School libraries (This Book is Gay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUeqmOXvnjQ, for example) might be (ironically) waking people up to Wokeism.  If we have passed the peak and Hasbro is interested in making coin, they might decide to a fresh start with a non-Woke 6e or 7e.

Or they could crash and burn.  At this point, I really don't care.  They've so abused the IP of D&D, I'd love to see it in more responsible hands...and the beauty of it is that with OSR of various flavors, we already have that.

If the Woke want to have a Woke game, that's fine--go for it.  Personally, I like having Drow and Orcs and Goblins be nuanced and complex and not stock villains (or maybe like the Elder Scrolls, where every race is morally problematic)...but I don't want the rules to lecture me about how I can't make the game in the way I want to.  If someone wants Orcs to be wholly evil and that's fun for them, why not?

Quote from: Osman Gazi on October 17, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
I'm genuinely curious what people think: is "Wokeism" going to burn out some day, and will WOTC ever return to D&D being just a fun fantasy game?

FWIW, I think that we might be rapidly approaching "Peak Wokeism" in our culture--perhaps the Twerking Drag Queens in front of Preschoolers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkZujRnHWNA) or "how to" gay sex manuals in Middle School libraries (This Book is Gay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUeqmOXvnjQ, for example) might be (ironically) waking people up to Wokeism.  If we have passed the peak and Hasbro is interested in making coin, they might decide to a fresh start with a non-Woke 6e or 7e.

Or they could crash and burn.  At this point, I really don't care.  They've so abused the IP of D&D, I'd love to see it in more responsible hands...and the beauty of it is that with OSR of various flavors, we already have that.

If the Woke want to have a Woke game, that's fine--go for it.  Personally, I like having Drow and Orcs and Goblins be nuanced and complex and not stock villains (or maybe like the Elder Scrolls, where every race is morally problematic)...but I don't want the rules to lecture me about how I can't make the game in the way I want to.  If someone wants Orcs to be wholly evil and that's fun for them, why not?

Strauss generational theory has the US in three decades of strife right now.  Looking at culturally what is going on in the US and how the left has purity spiraled itself to the point where anyone to the right of Stalin is a traitor, eventually D&D as its being run now, will be unprofitable and will be sold off by WotC.  I've already started to keep leftist ideology away from table (pronouns in bio - no invite, oh trans'd 13 year asexual lesbian we are 18 and over) and that behavior is going elsewhere as well.  I simply don't want to be near the crazy let alone get put on their witch burning lists.  Its applying to the player base now as well.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on October 17, 2022, 02:00:07 PM
Strauss generational theory has the US in three decades of strife right now.  Looking at culturally what is going on in the US and how the left has purity spiraled itself to the point where anyone to the right of Stalin is a traitor, eventually D&D as its being run now, will be unprofitable and will be sold off by WotC.  I've already started to keep leftist ideology away from table (pronouns in bio - no invite, oh trans'd 13 year asexual lesbian we are 18 and over) and that behavior is going elsewhere as well.  I simply don't want to be near the crazy let alone get put on their witch burning lists.  Its applying to the player base now as well.

When I try recruiting D&D players off Roll20, there seem to be ten 13 year old Croatian Edgelords 'ratioing' me for every Blue Haired Wokester who finds me Problematic. The Woke rule the Media - but they don't actually play D&D.

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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on October 17, 2022, 02:00:07 PM
Strauss generational theory has the US in three decades of strife right now.  Looking at culturally what is going on in the US and how the left has purity spiraled itself to the point where anyone to the right of Stalin is a traitor, eventually D&D as its being run now, will be unprofitable and will be sold off by WotC.  I've already started to keep leftist ideology away from table (pronouns in bio - no invite, oh trans'd 13 year asexual lesbian we are 18 and over) and that behavior is going elsewhere as well.  I simply don't want to be near the crazy let alone get put on their witch burning lists.  Its applying to the player base now as well.

When I try recruiting D&D players off Roll20, there seem to be ten 13 year old Croatian Edgelords 'ratioing' me for every Blue Haired Wokester who finds me Problematic. The Woke rule the Media - but they don't actually play D&D.

  But they sure as hell will tell you how to play it...as demonstrated by having a CEO who never played....

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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on October 17, 2022, 05:07:00 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on October 17, 2022, 04:53:57 PM

Quote from: S'mon on October 17, 2022, 02:46:30 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on October 17, 2022, 02:00:07 PM
Strauss generational theory has the US in three decades of strife right now.  Looking at culturally what is going on in the US and how the left has purity spiraled itself to the point where anyone to the right of Stalin is a traitor, eventually D&D as its being run now, will be unprofitable and will be sold off by WotC.  I've already started to keep leftist ideology away from table (pronouns in bio - no invite, oh trans'd 13 year asexual lesbian we are 18 and over) and that behavior is going elsewhere as well.  I simply don't want to be near the crazy let alone get put on their witch burning lists.  Its applying to the player base now as well.

When I try recruiting D&D players off Roll20, there seem to be ten 13 year old Croatian Edgelords 'ratioing' me for every Blue Haired Wokester who finds me Problematic. The Woke rule the Media - but they don't actually play D&D.

I'm in a working class town in a Red State in a purple congressional district near a large POS'd US city.  I see a bag boy wearing a skirt as an example, this was not expected in a religious, union, industrial suburb.  I open up a D&D session and I get a 13 year old boy obviously being raised woke with his "pronoun page" in his profile.  So I check to see how far gone he is, he lists himself with flags as asexual and lesbian, a purple dildo looking object is in the background of his profile pic and he is a tub of goo that even a 1980's D&D nerd would tell him to at least walk the dog a mile before he drops dead at 16 of a heart attack.  This was in person game at local hobby shop.  My town isn't rich, we are mixed race and working class and that crap is here.  If you go to D&D Beyond just look at their "looking for game" page.  You'll see quite a bit of the furry, trans, lgbtq+ tags on recruiting pages about 20% of the posts there has a combination of that cancer.  Like you want to meet someone know what their genital hole preference is before you play a game of D&D?  The woke crap is prevalent in D&D for the younger crowd because the one's raised by single moms are getting programmed at age 8 to accept woke.
  But they sure as hell will tell you how to play it...as demonstrated by having a CEO who never played....

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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on October 17, 2022, 05:07:00 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on October 17, 2022, 04:53:57 PM

Quote from: S'mon on October 17, 2022, 02:46:30 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on October 17, 2022, 02:00:07 PM
Strauss generational theory has the US in three decades of strife right now.  Looking at culturally what is going on in the US and how the left has purity spiraled itself to the point where anyone to the right of Stalin is a traitor, eventually D&D as its being run now, will be unprofitable and will be sold off by WotC.  I've already started to keep leftist ideology away from table (pronouns in bio - no invite, oh trans'd 13 year asexual lesbian we are 18 and over) and that behavior is going elsewhere as well.  I simply don't want to be near the crazy let alone get put on their witch burning lists.  Its applying to the player base now as well.

When I try recruiting D&D players off Roll20, there seem to be ten 13 year old Croatian Edgelords 'ratioing' me for every Blue Haired Wokester who finds me Problematic. The Woke rule the Media - but they don't actually play D&D.

I'm in a working class town in a Red State in a purple congressional district near a large POS'd US city.  I see a bag boy wearing a skirt as an example, this was not expected in a religious, union, industrial suburb.  I open up a D&D session and I get a 13 year old boy obviously being raised woke with his "pronoun page" in his profile.  So I check to see how far gone he is, he lists himself with flags as asexual and lesbian, a purple dildo looking object is in the background of his profile pic and he is a tub of goo that even a 1980's D&D nerd would tell him to at least walk the dog a mile before he drops dead at 16 of a heart attack.  This was in person game at local hobby shop.  My town isn't rich, we are mixed race and working class and that crap is here.  If you go to D&D Beyond just look at their "looking for game" page.  You'll see quite a bit of the furry, trans, lgbtq+ tags on recruiting pages about 20% of the posts there has a combination of that cancer.  Like you want to meet someone know what their genital hole preference is before you play a game of D&D?  The woke crap is prevalent in D&D for the younger crowd because the one's raised by single moms are getting programmed at age 8 to accept woke.
  But they sure as hell will tell you how to play it...as demonstrated by having a CEO who never played....

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I do have a female player & friend who declared recently on Facebook that she's gender nonbinary (and possibly some odd sexuality too). We just ignore her. A friend pointed out that if I made a fuss about it, I'd be the dick. She's still the same person, just a bit more confused than usual. She's never mentioned it in person, she'd probably be embarrassed to.

Quote from: oggsmash on October 17, 2022, 05:59:12 AM
  I dont think the problem is she is a woman, the problem is she seems to be a Karen.

Not sure we have any data on that one way or the other.

Quote from: Osman Gazi on October 17, 2022, 09:54:46 AMI'm genuinely curious what people think: is "Wokeism" going to burn out some day, and will WOTC ever return to D&D being just a fun fantasy game?

Depends who's asking. Someone in 1969 France or someone in the 1922 Soviet Union?

Is the madness the furthest end of a pendulum swing (where the system will naturally correct itself) or the early stage of an all-consuming purity spiral? The RPG hobby is just a marginal scene, but its attempted takeover shows that if the new totalitarian ideology emerges victorious, no place will be allowed to stay out. Families, love, work, education, our spiritual foundations, and yes, our entertainment: all are being engulfed.