Quote from: Lunamancer on October 15, 2022, 11:48:59 AM

Quote from: weirdguy564 on October 15, 2022, 10:17:35 AM
Anybody else notice the article has both a complaint that women are over-sexualized and that genders are non-binary?

Which is is?  If you want to argue gender descrimination, you need genders to be firmly defined.

It actually makes things easier. For example, here's an image of a non-binary person who I will just assume identifies as a woman who is being sexualized:

The only sexualization I see taking place is the impressive bulge on that dwarf. "My beard is up here, you disgusting little imps!"

I was wondering what is wrong about over sexualized women in a fantasy?  It's in the name. Fantasy.  As Andy Weir, author of The Martian and Project Hail Mary said, "The protagonist of most great stories is somebody you want to be, or somebody you want to have sex with."

I want the heroes to be cut, ripped, with all their teeth, and maybe even make real life centerfold models and pick up artists envious.  We don't play games like these to be nobodies who never did anything more exiting than travel to the next village once in their life. 

It goes hand in hand with the idea that monster races exist to be villains, so we make them look ugly as well.  A monster is kill on sight because they're dangerous, and disgusting physically.  Example: Minions of Nurgle demons.  Or even classic pig faced orcs in horned helmets who smell like manure and are cannibals.

But I want to team up with an NPC who is a 25 year old barbarian chick in a leopard skin bikini, thigh high boots, metal pauldons, a dragon cross guard great sword that's drawn from her back scabbard somehow, and looks better than real life pinup model Bettie Page. 

I'm there to have fun by going to the extremes of both good and evil, not solve the insecurities some Karen has in real life. 

^^^this^^^

It's not just women who are sexualized, the men are too. They either shirtless hunks with ripped abs or pretty-boys with dashing smiles and tight pants. Not always, but then not all women were depicted as sex objects either. The issue has always been that people will see only what they want to see, whether that's satanism or chauvinism.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on October 16, 2022, 02:28:51 AM
I was wondering what is wrong about over sexualized women in a fantasy?

Some fat unattractive people (usually female) resent that other people don't find them attractive. They think that eliminating pictures of attractive people will assuage the pain in their soul. You also get the male feminist types who are ashamed of their own sexuality, they see themselves as repulsive and they project that feeling onto others.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on October 16, 2022, 02:28:51 AM
I was wondering what is wrong about over sexualized women in a fantasy?

Because "progressives" want to control even your fantasies, in the cause of fixing the evil, rapey mens of their dirty attractions to women.

I'm blissfully liberated from giving a shit about what WotC is doing or who at WotC is doing it. As far as I'm concerned, WotC is irrelevant.

Quote from: Effete on October 16, 2022, 03:03:24 AM
^^^this^^^

It's not just women who are sexualized, the men are too. They either shirtless hunks with ripped abs or pretty-boys with dashing smiles and tight pants. Not always, but then not all women were depicted as sex objects either. The issue has always been that people will see only what they want to see, whether that's satanism or chauvinism.

You guys don't understand. Men are NEVER sexualized, only women are/can be. When you see a ripped, shirtless hunk most straight or bi women would wanna fuck that's just a "Male Power Fantasy", which is NEVER sexualization and just as bad for women, because they're there to stroke the male ego with images of unachievable male bodies they will never get to achieve.

So you see, no matter what counter examples you might provide, things always flow in one direction: everything is good for men and bad for women. And it's always there to advance the interest of men at the expense of women, because Patriarchy (fuck face!).

Quote from: Effete on October 16, 2022, 02:00:02 AM

Quote from: Jaeger on October 15, 2022, 08:28:12 PM
The most likely scenario:

Quote from: Fat Williams the Second on October 14, 2022, 12:45:41 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/could-dungeons-26-dragons-be-the-next-harry-potter-stranger-things-have-happened/ar-AA12N7Ia
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"D&D as a game, as a lifestyle has the potential to help people be more comfortable with who they are, express themselves more," says Williams, who finally got the opportunity to play the game this year, with Cocks as her dungeon master. "It's amazing how far it's come since someone first told me I couldn't play when I was in that basement. I'm super-excited."

"My very first experience wanting to play Dungeons & Dragons was back in the '80s," says the 55-year-old Williams, who grew up amid the tobacco fields of North Carolina, "and there were some of my male friends in a basement, and I wanted to play, and they were like: 'No, you can't play. This isn't for girls.' I'm really excited that that is no longer the case."

She was a teenager in the early 80's, probably at a female friends house, and some of the girls brothers friends came over to play D&D.

They were not her "male friends", they were just some boys she knew in high school...

She see's them playing D&D and was like: "Hey I'd like to play!".

So a group of teenaged boys looking to play their game get asked by a girl that they obviously didn't want around at the moment if she could play too...

Of course they kicked her to the curb!

I'm much more cynical.

What I think happened is a bunch of kids were hanging out, some were playing DnD, and she mocked them for it. So they told her, "okay then, fuck off, you can never play with us."

What doesn't pass the sniff test is that she wanted to play since the fukken 80s, but somehow was never able to? Because she was "a girl?" Bullshit! Most of the groups I've been in since the 90s have had at least one girl in them. No one cared. In fact, most players welcomed the different perspective. Her whole story is a lie, and I'll put money down that she's merely trying to save face because back in the 80s-90s SHE was the one shitting on the dorks who spent their weekends playing elf games. SHE was the toxic one (and clearly still is).

Pretty much. There's a bunch of ways this scenario could've played out that we're not privy to from her retelling of it, even if something like what she claims did happen. We don't have the full context, just her version of events, which are being used to advance an agenda that's largely contradictory to reality.

Could it have been possible that a group of nerds told her she couldn't play with them? Sure. But female attention starved nerds are far more likely to jump at the chance to have a female presence in their group than to turn her away. If they did, there's probably something else going on here, and it doesn't even have to be that she was a bitch. Maybe she was younger than them, and they didn't want to have a kid they had to babysit in their group, like the black guy's sister in Stranger Things.

Not to mention that even if they did turn her away, she could've gotten her own books and started her own group, and maybe make it all girls even—which is NEVER a bad thing because women can always have all the female exclusive things that they want and it's never bigotry, it's empowering (but not in a Female Power Fantasy kinda way, cuz those don't exist. Only Males have those). It's only when males try to have exclusive things that the world falls apart.

Quote from: Effete on October 16, 2022, 02:05:51 AM

Quote from: Lunamancer on October 15, 2022, 11:48:59 AM

The only sexualization I see taking place is the impressive bulge on that dwarf. "My beard is up here, you disgusting little imps!"

That's because it was a lot harder to be a trans-woman when tape didn't exist to aid in "the tuck." It's a type of oppression we glorify every time we use these sorts of game settings. Also, you're a transphobe for even noticing. If you must make jokes, do you really have to go after such low-hanging fruit?

Quote from: Effete on October 16, 2022, 03:03:24 AMThe issue has always been that people will see only what they want to see, whether that's satanism or chauvinism.

Don't forget the drow. An obvious dog whistle for the Nigerian prince scheme.

Who do they worship? Lolth. Other than just being LOL in medieval speak (e.g. "I lolth at thy buffoonery, able jongleur!"), she's also queen of the spiders. And what do spiders have? A web.

So here you have a race specifically created with the same skin tone as Nigerians who are laughing out loud when you fall for their ruse where they use a royal title on the web, and adventures are lured by the promise of riches, many only to lose everything.


You can just mail me my PhD now.

Quote from: VisionStorm on October 16, 2022, 09:08:09 AM

Quote from: Effete on October 16, 2022, 03:03:24 AM
^^^this^^^

It's not just women who are sexualized, the men are too. They either shirtless hunks with ripped abs or pretty-boys with dashing smiles and tight pants. Not always, but then not all women were depicted as sex objects either. The issue has always been that people will see only what they want to see, whether that's satanism or chauvinism.

You guys don't understand. Men are NEVER sexualized, only women are/can be. When you see a ripped, shirtless hunk most straight or bi women would wanna fuck that's just a "Male Power Fantasy", which is NEVER sexualization and just as bad for women, because they're there to stroke the male ego with images of unachievable male bodies they will never get to achieve.

So you see, no matter what counter examples you might provide, things always flow in one direction: everything is good for men and bad for women. And it's always there to advance the interest of men at the expense of women, because Patriarchy (fuck face!).

Oh... oh my God! You're right!
How could I have been so blind to the realities of andro-centric sexism in rpgs? Does this mean the Satanic Panic was legitimate too? Well, I love gaming too much to give it up, so I guess I should work on a blood sacrifice before next session. Noob question: do I rape the victim before or after she's dead?

Quote from: Lunamancer on October 16, 2022, 09:32:56 AM

Quote from: Effete on October 16, 2022, 02:05:51 AM

Quote from: Lunamancer on October 15, 2022, 11:48:59 AM

The only sexualization I see taking place is the impressive bulge on that dwarf. "My beard is up here, you disgusting little imps!"

That's because it was a lot harder to be a trans-woman when tape didn't exist to aid in "the tuck." It's a type of oppression we glorify every time we use these sorts of game settings. Also, you're a transphobe for even noticing. If you must make jokes, do you really have to go after such low-hanging fruit?

Well, I never said it was male dwarf, so you are obviously projecting your own internalized transphobia onto me. CLEARLY the bulge is from a female penis, and OF COURSE I noticed... I don't deny the existance of transfemale dwarfs like you do, bigot.

Also, low-hanging fruit is meant to be plucked and eaten.

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Don't forget the drow. An obvious dog whistle for the Nigerian prince scheme.

Who do they worship? Lolth. Other than just being LOL in medieval speak (e.g. "I lolth at thy buffoonery, able jongleur!"), she's also queen of the spiders. And what do spiders have? A web.

So here you have a race specifically created with the same skin tone as Nigerians who are laughing out loud when you fall for their ruse where they use a royal title on the web, and adventures are lured by the promise of riches, many only to lose everything.


You can just mail me my PhD now.

Not gonna lie, this was amazing!
As requested, your Physical Dick is being shipped.

My house, my table, my rules.  And in my game Larry Elmore's Dragonlance Bettie Page the Barbarian is my sidekick.

Just don't tell my real life wife.

If it helps I will stop using hyper good looking avatars for my female heroes in my fictional universe when real life women stop wanting to date men out of their league. 

Quote from: Melan on October 15, 2022, 04:21:22 AM

Quote from: Effete on October 14, 2022, 05:29:13 PM
I'm triggered that the DM's name is "Cocks" in a game that has historically been a racist, misogynistic boy's club dominated by incels.

I thought Wizards was trying to do better. Such a disappointment.

You are triggered by "Cocks"?

Let me tell you, I am fucking triggered and literally shaking that D&D is now in the hands of a fat, woke, white, upper-class woman named Williams... again.


Is this even a different person or just a different outfit? Put Gene Weigel and his mighty spiked flail on the case at once!

Overweight is a norm for D&D. Gary was no lightweight. You're not triggered by her weight.
White is the norm. You're not triggered that she's white.
Upper-class is the norm: the job come with an income that automatically makes one upper-class if they were not upper-class before the job. You're not triggered by her class.
In fact I don't think you'd give a crap if this were a man named Williams so it's not Williams that triggers you.

So...you're really triggered it's a woke woman.

The fact that her being a woman would bug you kinda justifies her being more progressive I'd think.

Feeble, even for a strawman.

  I dont think the problem is she is a woman, the problem is she seems to be a Karen.