I am on the Facebook OSR group and I have had a lot of people suggesting games to me.

One of those games is For Gold and Glory.    I am currently reading through it but I was curious if anyone has had experience with it and what their feelings are on the game?

Isn't it just an AD&D 2e retroclone?

Quote from: ForgottenF on May 06, 2023, 03:27:53 PM
Isn't it just an AD&D 2e retroclone?

I believe it is but I am not sure.  Haven't had a whole lot of time to look at it yet.

Yeah. Just a clone of 2E. Pretty sure it was just made to be a free version of the rules during a time when WOTC had pulled all PDF's from RPGNow and DriveThruRPG.

Quote from: World_Warrior on May 06, 2023, 03:51:32 PM
Yeah. Just a clone of 2E. Pretty sure it was just made to be a free version of the rules during a time when WOTC had pulled all PDF's from RPGNow and DriveThruRPG.

Know anything about it? Opinions?

Quote from: GhostNinja on May 06, 2023, 03:54:29 PM

Quote from: World_Warrior on May 06, 2023, 03:51:32 PM
Yeah. Just a clone of 2E. Pretty sure it was just made to be a free version of the rules during a time when WOTC had pulled all PDF's from RPGNow and DriveThruRPG.

Know anything about it? Opinions?

I remember it being decently organized, and filled with public domain art. But, again, it's just AD&D 2E. It has kept all the blessings and banes of that edition. Beyond that, I'd probably just read up on reviews of AD&D 2E to get a better idea of what you need to find out. With that being said, while I don't mind the attempt at the retroclone, I'd rather just have the original books (which I do already). But, I'm more of a fan of AD&D 1E than 2E.

Quote from: World_Warrior on May 06, 2023, 04:42:47 PM
I remember it being decently organized, and filled with public domain art. But, again, it's just AD&D 2E. It has kept all the blessings and banes of that edition. Beyond that, I'd probably just read up on reviews of AD&D 2E to get a better idea of what you need to find out. With that being said, while I don't mind the attempt at the retroclone, I'd rather just have the original books (which I do already). But, I'm more of a fan of AD&D 1E than 2E.

The problem is the books that I see are either in bad shape, very expensive or both.  Since I don't have those books it doesn't work for me.

What is your preference with 1st edition over second?

Quote from: GhostNinja on May 06, 2023, 05:13:53 PM

Quote from: World_Warrior on May 06, 2023, 04:42:47 PM
I remember it being decently organized, and filled with public domain art. But, again, it's just AD&D 2E. It has kept all the blessings and banes of that edition. Beyond that, I'd probably just read up on reviews of AD&D 2E to get a better idea of what you need to find out. With that being said, while I don't mind the attempt at the retroclone, I'd rather just have the original books (which I do already). But, I'm more of a fan of AD&D 1E than 2E.

The DMG is better (it's THE best DMG for D&D and over 40 years old). I like the art, how the classes are written, etc. It just feels different. Hard to explain. I think plenty of people could write articles (and have) on why 1E is better than 2E.

The problem is the books that I see are either in bad shape, very expensive or both.  Since I don't have those books it doesn't work for me.

What is your preference with 1st edition over second?

Quote from: GhostNinja on May 06, 2023, 05:13:53 PMWhat is your preference with 1st edition over second?

LoL! One of the most hotly debated topics in all of nerdom. You could spend years of your life reading what's been written.

I started with 2E b/c that's what the mall bookstores had, then moved to 1E once I could get my hands on it. For me, 2E is better organized and more accessible, but really boring and bland compared with 1E's content, themes and writing. Maybe akin to a grocery-getter station wagon vs a classic muscle car. I mean, sure, both get you from A to B, but why not go in style?

The route I suggest is just get OSRIC or something like it, as just about any and all 2e material grafts right on just fine, giving you everything available for both 1e and 2e to use as needed with very little work. I suppose you could do exactly the same in reverse from the starting point of gold & glory, but that would trigger my autism awful hard and irritate me, I'd rather start from becmi or 1e and add from later stuff as needed. That's my knee jerk response anyway.

Did anyone have a positive experience with the 2e players option stuff? My own wasn't terrible at all, and I did make a lot of good use out of the critical tables in combat and tactics and spells and magic at the time...if you ran gold and glory now, would you utilize the players option books any at all?

FG&G is good (and maybe the only?) free 2e-clone. Some optional rules from the original are absent, but the presentation is good, and all in one book. From my personal experience, I prefer it over the OSRIC. The biggest downside of FG&G — is a copious amount of typos. Hope we'll get an updated version sometime in the future.

Quote from: Vladar on May 08, 2023, 04:52:54 AM
FG&G is good (and maybe the only?) free 2e-clone. Some optional rules from the original are absent, but the presentation is good, and all in one book. From my personal experience, I prefer it over the OSRIC. The biggest downside of FG&G — is a copious amount of typos. Hope we'll get an updated version sometime in the future.

Yeah Typos aren't great.   You would think someone would check for those before they put it out.

That would be embarrassing to me.

I originally got into D&D around third edition, so the 1e/2e debacle isn't anything I'm familiar with. All I know about 2e is that it's the edition where TSR adding interesting settings like Planescape which was used as the setting for classic crpg Planescape: Torment. Although to be fair, it was the Black Isle guys who made it interesting as a ton of content was invented by them rather than being taken from the books.

Quote from: Chainsaw on May 07, 2023, 01:12:57 PM
I started with 2E b/c that's what the mall bookstores had, then moved to 1E once I could get my hands on it. For me, 2E is better organized and more accessible, but really boring and bland compared with 1E's content, themes and writing. Maybe akin to a grocery-getter station wagon vs a classic muscle car. I mean, sure, both get you from A to B, but why not go in style?

I played AD&D 1st edition and had the PHB.  Lots of information.  The layout left a lot to be desired but there was a good bit of information in it.'

Maybe I should just look for used 1st edition books.  Of course I have OSE which handles much of my OSR needs.

*Note: Corrected Statement*

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 08, 2023, 09:59:02 AM
I originally got into D&D around third edition, so the 1e/2e debacle isn't anything I'm familiar with. All I know about 2e is that it's the edition where TSR adding interesting settings like Planescape which was used as the setting for classic crpg Planescape: Torment. Although to be fair, it was the Black Isle guys who made it interesting as a ton of content was invented by them rather than being taken from the books.

Played 1st edition a couple years back and it was OK (I think the DM Just sucked).  Never played second edition myself either.