Quote from: Exploderwizard;548477Thanks for the edumacation but the correction was intended for people that get jokes. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I know

Quote from: Imperator;548448Also, _kent_, the unemployment shit is really really weak. Not only because the obvious (if it's true it's quite evident why it's a shitheaded thing to say) but also because it is irrelevant. The lenght of the posts does not say anything about their quallity, and I don't think that anyone's contributions are going to improve or get worse because of your employment situation.

So basically, is a worthless piece of shit of a post.

RPGs can become an obsession to the point where smart guys don't mind being unemployed. I certainly remember it interfering with my schooling.

Quote from: Benoist;548381What kind of snacks do you eat at the game table with your friends, Kent?

I think the point is well made that as thirty and forty somethings gaming as a daylong event is best served with full attention to the social graces which include hospitality - food and drink. However I only game with close friends whom I meet regularly so we tend to talk about the game on game day. There is no eating at the gametable and we drink a couple of beers only at the end of the evening.

We usually game in the same player's house and if left to ourselves we break for guy food - pizza & salad, scampi & salad kind of thing.

However if this player's girlfriend is knocking about - she's from Burgundy - food takes on a different complexion. We've been treated to Tartiflette (smelly Roblochon cheese baked with potato and small ham chunks and garlic) and Raclette (melted cheese dripped over cold meats and potatoes - from Shepherds in Swiss mountains, put block cheese near the fire and dripped it onto their plates).

Quote from: The Butcher;548464Just snacks.

I've tried raising the gastronomic level of our sessions, to no avail. One won't even chip in for pizza, the asshole. "Nah, you guys go ahead and order, I'm not hungry. Don't mind me." :mad:

Does he then cadge a slice or two anyway once it arrives?  'cause I can't stand that.  YEAH MAYBE I WILL HAVE A PIECE, THANKS.

Can't.  Stand.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;548477Thanks for the edumacation but the correction was intended for people that get jokes. :rolleyes:

Although nobody seemed to get the Kyle Aaron joke in the first place.

Quote from: _kent_;548501I think the point is well made that as thirty and forty somethings gaming as a daylong event is best served with full attention to the social graces which include hospitality - food and drink. However I only game with close friends whom I meet regularly so we tend to talk about the game on game day. There is no eating at the gametable and we drink a couple of beers only at the end of the evening.

We usually game in the same player's house and if left to ourselves we break for guy food - pizza & salad, scampi & salad kind of thing.

However if this player's girlfriend is knocking about - she's from Burgundy - food takes on a different complexion. We've been treated to Tartiflette (smelly Roblochon cheese baked with potato and small ham chunks and garlic) and Raclette (melted cheese dripped over cold meats and potatoes - from Shepherds in Swiss mountains, put block cheese near the fire and dripped it onto their plates).

+1.
I don't have the time I used to to game, so when I do, I set myself up to enjoy it.

Quote from: _kent_;548491RPGs can become an obsession to the point where smart guys don't mind being unemployed. I certainly remember it interfering with my schooling.

Even if that is true - and it certainly can - it bears nothing of significance about a poster's quality.

Look, I think you are a clever guy, I have read your blog and there are several jewels there, and it pains me to see something like this. Of course, I'm aware that you don't have to answer to anyone, but I think you can do so much better.

Also, your point about snacks is well brought.

Quote from: Imperator;548525Even if that is true - and it certainly can - it bears nothing of significance about a poster's quality.

Sometimes it is fun to annoy people, even pals. Everyone should try it a few times. The emphasis is on irritating the person rather than reaching philosophical clarity. It is the surest way I know to detect a sense of humour.

For the time being I will confine my amusement to nurturing Melan's and Premier's inarticulate silence.

The unemployed gibe is not really an effective slur in gaming communities (and I couldn't care less anyway). Consider: J. Maliszewski, J. Raggi, Zak S., J Rients - all obviously unemployed. Rients has gone back to study I think. Anyway it's very common among gamers even if it is never discussed.

Quote from: Melan;548054I've been reading the TheRPGHaven equivalent of this thread, and dear merciful God, TheRPGInformer is a whiny, annoying schmuck. :rolleyes:

Wow that place still exists?

Hmm, after going and looking, I guess it well, sorta exists.

As for the rest, what can you expect from a guy who set himself up totally as an attempt to shit on me, in a forum who's only purpose was to shit on me? Do you really expect him, on that site, NOT to be a whiny annoying schmuck?

RPGPundit

For the record, for me its the exact opposite from Benoist as far as my opinion on this: I don't roleplay to get my "social fix", and while its fine to roleplay with friends, I think a lot of nerds roleplay as a SUBSTITUTE to having a richer social life.

I don't NEED EVERY SINGLE GAMER in my group to be my Friend.  I have friends. I have activities that are purely and explicitly social, I don't need the guys I play D&D with to all be dear friends anymore than I'd need all the people at a poker game to be my friends.  Of course, many of the people I game with are good friends (as in, people I do things other than just gaming with), and others are people I've grown to have very friendly relationships with in the exclusive context of gaming, but with whom I'd never really do anything other than RPGs.  But to me, when you're getting together to play an RPG campaign, you're there for the RPG. Part of that is to have fun, to have a pleasant time, which includes eating a nice meal, and whatever else.   I don't see why that all needs to be excluded.
But what's important is that people don't end up putting those things over the game itself (like having one guy think its ok to be chatting loudly with his "friend" while the rest of the group is trying to pay attention to what's happening in the actual game; or having someone bring food they'll need to cook and think its perfectly ok for their character to just be on neutral for half the game session because they're making whatever latest thing Gordon Ramsay said was cool).
Fuck that. When I want someone to cook something awesome and enjoy a lovely meal, that's what I have the The Wench for (among many other things). What we're there for at an RPG night is to GAME.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;548591Wow that place still exists?

Hmm, after going and looking, I guess it well, sorta exists.

As for the rest, what can you expect from a guy who set himself up totally as an attempt to shit on me, in a forum who's only purpose was to shit on me? Do you really expect him, on that site, NOT to be a whiny annoying schmuck?

RPGPundit

Uh TheRPGInformer didn't start TheRPGHaven.  He is only a poster there.

Quote from: RPGPundit;548597For the record, for me its the exact opposite from Benoist as far as my opinion on this: I don't roleplay to get my "social fix", and while its fine to roleplay with friends, I think a lot of nerds roleplay as a SUBSTITUTE to having a richer social life.

I don't NEED EVERY SINGLE GAMER in my group to be my Friend.  I have friends. I have activities that are purely and explicitly social, I don't need the guys I play D&D with to all be dear friends anymore than I'd need all the people at a poker game to be my friends.  Of course, many of the people I game with are good friends (as in, people I do things other than just gaming with), and others are people I've grown to have very friendly relationships with in the exclusive context of gaming, but with whom I'd never really do anything other than RPGs.  But to me, when you're getting together to play an RPG campaign, you're there for the RPG. Part of that is to have fun, to have a pleasant time, which includes eating a nice meal, and whatever else.   I don't see why that all needs to be excluded.
But what's important is that people don't end up putting those things over the game itself (like having one guy think its ok to be chatting loudly with his "friend" while the rest of the group is trying to pay attention to what's happening in the actual game; or having someone bring food they'll need to cook and think its perfectly ok for their character to just be on neutral for half the game session because they're making whatever latest thing Gordon Ramsay said was cool).
Fuck that. When I want someone to cook something awesome and enjoy a lovely meal, that's what I have the The Wench for (among many other things). What we're there for at an RPG night is to GAME.

RPGPundit

I hate to admit this but, I agree with TheRPGPundit 100% on this.   This is how I feel as well.

Gaming isn't my social time.  It's about gaming.  That's what TheRPGInformer was saying as well

Quote from: Daedalus;548600Gaming isn't my social time.  It's about gaming.  

For, and I'm guessing others as well, it is social time because it's one of the few times I can get together with my friends on a face to face basis.

I understand different strokes and all that, and neither way is "bad".

Quote from: RPGPundit;548597For the record, for me its the exact opposite from Benoist as far as my opinion on this: I don't roleplay to get my "social fix", and while its fine to roleplay with friends, I think a lot of nerds roleplay as a SUBSTITUTE to having a richer social life.

Maybe that's the case for some gamers, and if they are gaming without paying any attention to the social aspects of the activity itself, then that leads to a completely fucked up social life, indeed.

But I don't think we are seeing the issue as perfect opposites here, in the sense that for me, RPGs aren't a substitute for a social life, they merely are a part of it. So while RPGs certainly can't replace having dinner with friends and friends who are not gamers at all and venues in which you can enjoy other things than gaming, I see them as one activity that is social in nature, and part of that overall picture certainly.

Quote from: RPGPundit;548597I don't NEED EVERY SINGLE GAMER in my group to be my Friend.  I have friends.

Likewise, actually. Just like I don't need to be friends with every single individual being at a party or dinner I'd attend, by the way.

Quote from: RPGPundit;548597I have activities that are purely and explicitly social, I don't need the guys I play D&D with to all be dear friends anymore than I'd need all the people at a poker game to be my friends.

Me neither. I do however need to actually want to socialize with these people. There's a nuance here. Which means I wouldn't actually game with people I don't at least like casually from the get go from one reason or another. I do convention games sometimes. I can play with people I don't know, just like I could go have a beer with people I don't know. But if something smells fishy or that I can't get along with this or that person in RL, then I won't go through the trouble of gaming with them at all, that's for sure.

Quote from: RPGPundit;548597Of course, many of the people I game with are good friends (as in, people I do things other than just gaming with), and others are people I've grown to have very friendly relationships with in the exclusive context of gaming, but with whom I'd never really do anything other than RPGs.  But to me, when you're getting together to play an RPG campaign, you're there for the RPG. Part of that is to have fun, to have a pleasant time, which includes eating a nice meal, and whatever else.   I don't see why that all needs to be excluded.

To me, the enjoyment of the game involves enjoying playing with each other, and thus, enjoying the presence of each other, sharing the moment together, etc. The snacks, even if they are just a bottle of coke and a jar of cookies on the table, are part of that dimension of gaming. This isn't aside of the game; it's part of the game, to me.

Quote from: RPGPundit;548597But what's important is that people don't end up putting those things over the game itself (like having one guy think its ok to be chatting loudly with his "friend" while the rest of the group is trying to pay attention to what's happening in the actual game; or having someone bring food they'll need to cook and think its perfectly ok for their character to just be on neutral for half the game session because they're making whatever latest thing Gordon Ramsay said was cool).

That wouldn't be okay in my games either. Which is why when we do bring something to the game, it's all already done or about to be finished when guests arrive, and then we just chill together for an hour or so having lunch, touching base, what have you, which gets the chatting part out of everybody's system if you will, and THEN we game and we're on. I'm actually playing in part for immersion or what you call emulation, so that part of the game is important for me too. This means staying focused, role playing your character, not being a dick taking phone calls and chatting about inane shit while we play and so on, but at the same time, you'll have some jokes flying, people going 'oooh' and 'aahh' with dice rolls, and so on.

It's a blend. Role playing game thrives on these multiple dimensions I think, and great GMs and players actually are aware of those different layers of game play to act on them and create a alloy that is greater than the sum of its parts. At least that's my experience.

So going to a game with the idea that it's "serious business" and if you do anything else then that's badwrongfun is bullshit, IMO. It leads to the game being more stale and boring than it otherwise could be.