I always play with the same group so I'm sure that has a lot to do with it but CofD is the best RPG system Ive gotten to play so far. Ive played 5e, Dresden Files, Fate Core, BESM, and GURPS.

This game had some mechanical depth, without being any more complex than nessesary. Lots of character customization, and the games make it easy to come up with a realistic character. The rules naturally guide you to role playing without any narrative game BS, and playing mortals is really fun if you like horror.

Besides the core rules you have vampire, werewolf, mage (my favorite and I was pretty resistant to the concept) promethean (basically frankenstien), Beast (build your own monster), Sin Eater (A revenant like the crow), and others.

I figured since RPG Pundit is an OSR guy most people here will not like these games since their more rule heavy, but I was wondering if anyone else here does?

I like it!

Not my favorite game for the genre (I'm enjoying Powered by the Apocalypse more these days...) but it has tons of creative ideas in it. I think the only thing that bothers me about the game is the weird experience. I can easily ignore that in favor of something house-ruled.

I'm trying to form a group that rotates games / GMs every 8 - 12 sessions. I would like to GM a run of this in the future.

I love CoD

Quote from: K9ine;1094895I always play with the same group so I'm sure that has a lot to do with it but CofD is the best RPG system Ive gotten to play so far. Ive played 5e, Dresden Files, Fate Core, BESM, and GURPS.

This game had some mechanical depth, without being any more complex than nessesary. Lots of character customization, and the games make it easy to come up with a realistic character. The rules naturally guide you to role playing without any narrative game BS, and playing mortals is really fun if you like horror.

Besides the core rules you have vampire, werewolf, mage (my favorite and I was pretty resistant to the concept) promethean (basically frankenstien), Beast (build your own monster), Sin Eater (A revenant like the crow), and others.

I figured since RPG Pundit is an OSR guy most people here will not like these games since their more rule heavy, but I was wondering if anyone else here does?

I love BESM and I am a huge fan of New World of Darkness (AKA Chronicles of Darkness 1E)

Not really a fan of the setting changes made in 2E (The whole God-Machine nonsense and I don't like Beast: The Primordial either) but I can adapt to the mechanics and invoke Rule Zero to remove all the Onyx Path bullshit.

It's sort of like eating the chicken and throwing away the bone. The 2E mechanics are solid enough you can just do a tweaked 1E setting with 2E rules.

But it is good to see another New WoD fan on here, and even better to see a fellow BESM fan.

Would you be interested in a New World of Darkness/Chronicles of Darkness play-by-post in the near future?

Are you refering to first edition when it was called New World of Darkness, or the second edition which is a clusterfuck of lies that was told directly to my face by MachineIV (aka Oliva Hill (aka David A. Hill))?  I like the first, but if I had full control of the IP I would burn the second edition.  Then set out to work on a third edition that isn't full of lies.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1094929Are you refering to first edition when it was called New World of Darkness, or the second edition which is a clusterfuck of lies that was told directly to my face by MachineIV (aka Oliva Hill (aka David A. Hill))?  I like the first, but if I had full control of the IP I would burn the second edition.  Then set out to work on a third edition that isn't full of lies.

Amen, my good man.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1094929Are you refering to first edition when it was called New World of Darkness, or the second edition which is a clusterfuck of lies that was told directly to my face by MachineIV (aka Oliva Hill (aka David A. Hill))?  I like the first, but if I had full control of the IP I would burn the second edition.  Then set out to work on a third edition that isn't full of lies.

What lies?

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1094910I love BESM and I am a huge fan of New World of Darkness (AKA Chronicles of Darkness 1E)

Not really a fan of the setting changes made in 2E (The whole God-Machine nonsense and I don't like Beast: The Primordial either) but I can adapt to the mechanics and invoke Rule Zero to remove all the Onyx Path bullshit.

It's sort of like eating the chicken and throwing away the bone. The 2E mechanics are solid enough you can just do a tweaked 1E setting with 2E rules.

But it is good to see another New WoD fan on here, and even better to see a fellow BESM fan.

Would you be interested in a New World of Darkness/Chronicles of Darkness play-by-post in the near future?

I've never done a play by post online sort of game. How do those work? Do you use the regular rules? Do you just type everything in skype or discord?

Quote from: K9ine;1094956What lies?

When it was being developed I was texting to MachineIV about it on a weekly bases at Wanton Wicked chat during the 4.0 period.  We often talk about the books and what improvements they needed.  During this time Olivia (David at the time) assured me that CoD would be sleeker, streamlined, and less bulk.  It was told to me to be a much lighter system that gets to the point instead of wasting time.

Which as we can see in CoD that was never to be true.  Instead of one xp to track there are beats and xp to track.  Merits been some what fix, but the bulk hasn't been cut down.  This is adding tilts and conditions into the mix which demands a rules heavy system which makes more bulk.  Even the spirits got a flow chart which shows how much things got more complicated.  Worst of all it isn't needed at all.  In fact it detracts from the game.  I was promise one thing and got another thing in reality.

Quote from: K9ine;1094959I've never done a play by post online sort of game. How do those work? Do you use the regular rules? Do you just type everything in skype or discord?

You play via forum posts. Some Play by Post games are free form, others use the regular rules with an online dice roller.

How does the Chronicle of Darkness game system relate to the likes of Vampire the Masquerade 1st ed. and Werewold 1st ed ?

I ask because while I played a lot of Vampire 20 years ago, and enjoyed it, I always felt like the system was no good. Typically, if you tried to play Vampires versus Mages, vampires were screwed.

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1094968How does the Chronicle of Darkness game system relate to the likes of Vampire the Masquerade 1st ed. and Werewold 1st ed ?

I ask because while I played a lot of Vampire 20 years ago, and enjoyed it, I always felt like the system was no good. Typically, if you tried to play Vampires versus Mages, vampires were screwed.

New World of Darkness is a lot more crossover-friendly and IIRC, the early New WoD games back in the 1E days were explicitly designed to be crossover-compatible, which was one of the reasons why there was no metaplot.

I never played the older games, but the chronicles games are built on the same rules foundation. Basically you build your character as a mortal first, then and your supernatural templet which is a sort of racial trait (powers) and a social trait (group you belong to).

Balance wise supetnaturals are good at different things. A were wolf could tear a vampire limb to limb, but only if the vampire failed to mind control/terrify the werewolf into submission first. Just as a mortal could shoot another with a gun without them being able to dodge the bullets.

This makes the game more about cloak and dagger intrigue and horror than fighting. It kind of becomes like a show like breaking bad where each player is trying to acomplish their goals, and sometime will work with or even occasionally oppose othet characters.

The swingyness of the powers and abilities of the supernatural means you don't get into fights lightly. You always want to stack the deck if your planing on taking someone eles out.

I meant to reply to you, see my prevous post.

Thanks for inviting me. If I have time to play I'll pm you (or you can pm me), not sure yet. Sounds fun.

Besm was actually my groups first game we played for years. Before that we made up our own rules based on our gms limited experiance with d&d when he was at lunch at middle school.

After Besm we made our own system again but much better designed. I wish we still had it so I could redesign it.