Quote from: Grognard GM on April 05, 2023, 03:13:52 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 05, 2023, 01:23:50 PM
As a wise philosopher named Ron White said:  "You can't fix stupid"

I tried telling this to an SJW, but they just called me Tater Salad 

they probably called you that but still didn't understand the reference

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 04, 2023, 08:51:15 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on April 04, 2023, 04:30:24 AM
My Sword & Caravan campaign is an online campaign. We don't need a virtual tabletop. We just meet up on video, everyone rolls their own dice because we're grownups. That's it.

I'm surprised.  You always seemed like someone resistant to playing online.  What changed?

I explain that in my latest video. I still don't care to play online very much, but I now have one campaign that does.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on April 04, 2023, 12:17:26 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 04, 2023, 11:30:54 AMWell, your friend (and I) aren't grownups according to Pundit...

Being charitable to him, I meant like "I don't need a public display of rolled dice because I trust my players with the physical dice they roll on their tables".

That is what I meant.

Quote from: RPGPundit on April 05, 2023, 05:26:33 PM

I explain that in my latest video. I still don't care to play online very much, but I now have one campaign that does.

Ok.  Understood.

That's all I have to say regarding this presentation

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On a more serious note, I'd rather have one with good drawing tools so the players could draw a dungeon map whiteboard-style. All this 3D stuff is rather clunky and superfluous.

Sadly, the parody video is so on point that it's sad.

WOTC needs to get people who actually game, actually know D&D and will actually make a version people want to play.  Take elements for earlier editions and put them in.

Also, stop pushing people to play on a VTT and more towards getting out with actual people and play.

For me its the one for all approach that is the most grating, but I a happy to see WotC attempt corporate suicide.

I think VTT are great for crunch heavy combat games and imagination deficient players. The farther I can get both away from my roleplaying the happier I am.

"Nice" board game simulator you have there, but what does it have to do with roleplaying games which treats the rules as a mere tool kit?

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 07, 2023, 01:29:07 PM
Sadly, the parody video is so on point that it's sad.

WOTC needs to get people who actually game, actually know D&D and will actually make a version people want to play.  Take elements for earlier editions and put them in.

Also, stop pushing people to play on a VTT and more towards getting out with actual people and play.

But they can't squeeze the players for cash if they're all playing in person with actual dice and pencils and paper!

Quote from: Wasteland Sniper on April 07, 2023, 10:26:35 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 07, 2023, 01:29:07 PM
Sadly, the parody video is so on point that it's sad.

WOTC needs to get people who actually game, actually know D&D and will actually make a version people want to play.  Take elements for earlier editions and put them in.

Also, stop pushing people to play on a VTT and more towards getting out with actual people and play.

But they can't squeeze the players for cash if they're all playing in person with actual dice and pencils and paper!

That's the true motivation, they want their paypigs in a walled garden where they can bleed them with microtransactions up the wazoo.

Quote from: Wasteland Sniper on April 07, 2023, 10:26:35 PM
But they can't squeeze the players for cash if they're all playing in person with actual dice and pencils and paper!

Too damn bad.  They try so hard to gain more and more control of what Game Masters/DM's and their players DO but they do not understand they have no power.

I want WOTC to try to come and try to take my books and dice away because I am having BADWRONGFUN by playing in person.

I dare them.

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 08, 2023, 12:23:42 AM

Quote from: Wasteland Sniper on April 07, 2023, 10:26:35 PM
But they can't squeeze the players for cash if they're all playing in person with actual dice and pencils and paper!

Too damn bad.  They try so hard to gain more and more control of what Game Masters/DM's and their players DO but they do not understand they have no power.

I want WOTC to try to come and try to take my books and dice away because I am having BADWRONGFUN by playing in person.

I dare them.

It's so hilarious to me, because my favorite non-TTRPG is Marvel Champions and it's kind of a running joke in the MC community that even if you house rule stuff (like allowing an ally card to be played that is the same character as a hero that is being played by somebody else, which is against the rules), Caleb (the designer) isn't going to show up at your house and tell you you're playing it wrong. He's even said on multiple occasions that it's your table, you play how you want. The polar opposite of WotC's D&D heads.

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on April 04, 2023, 09:40:59 AM

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Quote from: GhostNinja on April 03, 2023, 12:15:06 PM
I am sure this will work for some people.   I prefer to play in person.

https://youtu.be/S8NoG-w1RbI

That's not D&D. That is WoW.


Extra Hard Pass on that bullshit.

It's worse than WOW.  It's WOW with terrible lag becuase people can't make up their minds what to do every round.

Exactly. And it is late to the party as the MMO train has already derailed these past few years. It's been about MOBAs and Crafting for awhile now. But I could see a niche for white room theory crafting PCs v PCs arenas. It'd keep the munchkins busy with pretend penile measurements for Imagination Land. 

Less nonsense at my table, yay! I can't wait until Faraday shielding becomes standard for man caves! 

Quote from: Wasteland Sniper on April 04, 2023, 02:10:46 PM

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Quote from: tenbones on April 04, 2023, 10:13:23 AM


D&D aside... (no this isn't D&D) WotC is entering a realm they *have* no idea how to handle. They're producing a videogame and are pretending it's just an "app" to supplement their TTRPG. At least that's how its being sold. But the reality is this is an entirely different industry which they have no real experience in.

Yes, I strongly suspect the Microsoft executives who are now WotC executives came into WotC hoping to make a Live Service video game. Because that's all they know how to do. But they don't actually understand the needs and wants of the Pen and Paper RPG crowd. They think they can turn DnD into a product. A live service they can sell to people. Without understanding that this is a hobby. One that is very different to any one average video game. You could argue they tried to do that with 4E but that was still with the understand of their VTT being able to run on lower end systems. If this isn't optimized for a variety of PC specs, let alone all the different mobile devices, This One DnD thing will flop harder than 4E.

Anybody who actually games knows that there is a big difference between people who play WoW and people who play D&D. While there is likely some crossover, generally when a person is logging into WoW it's because they want to play an MMO, whereas when a person is pulling their D&D books off the shelf it's because they want to roll some real dice and tell a story with friends. I came to TTRPGs and board gaming late, though I've been a video gamer most of my life. Still am, but most of my focus has shifted to the analog gaming sphere, and if I'm sitting down at an actual table in-person with friends to play a game, the last thing I want to do is whip out my laptop or tablet and stare at that all night.

I'm going to go Old man yelling at cloud mode but I would say people who played MMOs like Ultima Online, Everquest, and Star Wars Galaxies had far more in common with people who play Pen and Paper RPGs than the people who got into the glorified single player Diablo clone masquerading as an MMO known as WoW.  There was much more of an emphasis on free form sandbox play. "make your own fun". You decided to explore, grind and above all socialize with others. As opposed to being lead by the nose through zones because the idea of going your own way is scary. You had to be creative as a player to make your own fun in the same way you had to be creative playing pen and paper RPGs.  If you play Neverwinter Nights there are plenty of persistant worlds that still offer that kind of experience. Especially the roleplaying.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 07, 2023, 10:35:50 PM
That's the true motivation, they want their paypigs in a walled garden where they can bleed them with microtransactions up the wazoo.

Yeah, they aren't doing anything to try to hide their true motivations.  Whether it will work remains to be seen.  If the new edited edition doesn't give DM's and players enough to really be worth upgrading to it could backfire. 

Not to mention people have other VTT's they can play D&D on and even if they killed support for the other VTT's there are still enough people who have the D&D content they can use for their VTT already so they can continue to play.

And people will develop things for free to fill the void so they really can't win.

Quote from: Wasteland Sniper on April 08, 2023, 02:49:29 AM
It's so hilarious to me, because my favorite non-TTRPG is Marvel Champions and it's kind of a running joke in the MC community that even if you house rule stuff (like allowing an ally card to be played that is the same character as a hero that is being played by somebody else, which is against the rules), Caleb (the designer) isn't going to show up at your house and tell you you're playing it wrong. He's even said on multiple occasions that it's your table, you play how you want. The polar opposite of WotC's D&D heads.

Those are wise words and WOTC would be smart to adapt that line of thinking.

They won't of course because they are greedy idiots fighting a war they wont win.