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Persistent Spell

Started by Trainz, June 27, 2006, 08:09:34 AM

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Roger

And it only takes three feats, a spell slot, and all your turning attempts.


Cheers,
Roger
 

Yig

Quote from: RogerAnd it only takes all your feats, a spell slot, and all your turning attempts.

Fixed.

You have to take a lot of Extra Turningif you want it to be worth it.
 

Trainz

Quote from: YigFixed.

You have to take a lot of Extra Turningif you want it to be worth it.

That's just it.

If you go half-assed about it, you're shooting yourself in the foot big time. You burn everything to achieve this, which I feel balances out in the end.
 

Janos

Quote from: TrainzThat's just it.

If you go half-assed about it, you're shooting yourself in the foot big time. You burn everything to achieve this, which I feel balances out in the end.

You've caught the errata for Persistent Spell that requires you have the metamagic feat you use it with right?

I agree with several others.  When you combine Divine Metamagic with Extend, Persistent Spell, and the turning attempts, it quickly loses a lot of it's overpowered nature.  It's still an extremely powerful combo, but it's much less abusive when it takes half your power to pull it off.
 

Dacke

I'll just note that there are a few other ways of converting other resources into metamagic boosts. The one that comes to mind is Metamagic Song (Races of Stone), which converts bardic music, and the Spontaneous Metamagic variants from Unearthed Arcana (either converting other spells, or giving X uses per day of the feats). These have one thing in common: they don't let you bypass the normal spell level limitation. In other words, a 7th level bard with Metamagic Song can't use his bardic music to cast an Extended Blink, because that would be a 4th level spell and he can only cast up to 3rd level. He could cast an Extended Heroism, though, and only use a 2nd level slot plus one Bardic Music use.

Divine Metamagic is, AFAIK, the only method of bypassing this limit.
 

Trainz

Quote from: JanosYou've caught the errata for Persistent Spell that requires you have the metamagic feat you use it with right?

Of course.

QuoteI agree with several others.  When you combine Divine Metamagic with Extend, Persistent Spell, and the turning attempts, it quickly loses a lot of it's overpowered nature.  It's still an extremely powerful combo, but it's much less abusive when it takes half your power to pull it off.

Yup.

Extend is a prereq for this mega combo, but it's nice to have by itself also, especially with things like Hero's Feast.