Well, well: http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/62847/Warhammer-Fantasy-Roleplay-2nd-Edition-Core-Rulebook?term=warhammer+roleplay
I guess FFG sees it that if all the cool kids are doing it, then it should do so too :)
Quote from: Skywalker;581722Well, well: http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/62847/Warhammer-Fantasy-Roleplay-2nd-Edition-Core-Rulebook?term=warhammer+roleplay
I guess FFG sees it that if all the cool kids are doing it, then it should do so too :)
65 bucks (about £35) for a game that was £25 in the shops.
Kiss my rusty sheriff's badge.
Quote from: Ghost Whistler;58173365 bucks (about £35) for a game that was £25 in the shops.
Kiss my rusty sheriff's badge.
Yeah. Unfortunately, its the going rate to cover the cost for full colour POD.
The upside is that if you own it, you don't need to buy it, and if you don't own it, then this is likely cheaper than buying it OOP.
The downside is... well there isn't any I can see. :)
I have WFRP 1e at home. What are the big differences in 2e?
Quote from: Sacrosanct;581739I have WFRP 1e at home. What are the big differences in 2e?
WFRP1e is a great RPG. 2e cleans up the rules somewhat. The Primary Characteristics are condensed into 8 stats, Talents and Skills operate more uniformly, Careers are restructured to provide IMO an improved series of advancement, Races are more balanced to each other, combat and spells move away from their WFB routes to something which IMO is more RPG-like and the dice are condensed down to just a D10.
Magic has IMO been the most improved mechanically, though it does adopt the Colleges of Magic idea that came from WFB after WFRP1e was released.
The setting sees some change as its set after the big Chaos war that happened in WFB, though IMO you can run with the WFRP1e setting with no trouble. The main two I can think of is that Bretonnia has an Arthurian vibe and magic is now based on the Colleges of Magic.
However, it did also provide a more detailed and even coverage of the entire setting throughout the line.
The Career Compendium is also in print on demand... and in hardcover for the first time :eek:
Quote from: Skywalker;581741The Career Compendium is also in print on demand... and in hardcover for the first time :eek:
Yeah, which is kinda tempting - especially as the binding on my softback utterly disintegrated.
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Quote from: Ghost Whistler;58173365 bucks (about £35) for a game that was £25 in the shops.
Kiss my rusty sheriff's badge.
Beats paying $85 for a NM copy from Noble Knight.
I hate myself.
Tome of Corruption is up for Print on Demand too!!! :D
I'm genuinely curious what the print quality will be like. Has anyone worked with DriveThruRPG's print on demand option?
Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;581745I'm genuinely curious what the print quality will be like. Has anyone worked with DriveThruRPG's print on demand option?
They go through Lightning Source, and I've had several of my books done through them. Pretty good quality. The only issue I ever had was that it looked like the spine wasn't quite wide enough, so when you set the book down, the top cover wanted to lift up a bit and not sit flush.
Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;581745I'm genuinely curious what the print quality will be like. Has anyone worked with DriveThruRPG's print on demand option?
Full colour POD hardcovers from DT are very good IME. They also have full bleed.
It is the B&W POD softcovers from DT that have more variable quality.
Quote from: Ghost Whistler;58173365 bucks (about £35) for a game that was £25 in the shops.
...seven years ago. And is now OOP.
Quote from: Skywalker;581740WFRP1e is a great RPG. 2e cleans up the rules somewhat.
I like 2e, other than the fucking Storm of fucking Chaos, and I'd play it. But I think I prefer the lunatic wierdness and energy of 1e.
WFRP 2e, of course, later evolves into the 40kRP system.
Quote from: Ladybird;581751I like 2e, other than the fucking Storm of fucking Chaos, and I'd play it. But I think I prefer the lunatic wierdness and energy of 1e.
I prefer to be unrestricted by edition and use whatever the hell I like :D The only setting embedded element in 2e is the magic concept, but even that can be changed flavourwise.
Matt McElroy of DT has confirmed that FFG is working through a process of putting all WFRP2e books into POD. Happy days.
It tells a story.
Yeah, between The Enemy Within re-release, 2e going POD, and Star Wars RPG pillaging it, I think 3e is going into retirement.
FWIW it had a decent run though (about the length of 2e's) with all the major supplements planned released for it IIRC.
Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;581745I'm genuinely curious what the print quality will be like. Has anyone worked with DriveThruRPG's print on demand option?
I have a few books from them, black and white softcovers, and they look as good as any other black and white softcovers I own (Pendragon and Wu Xing).
Quote from: One Horse Town;581765It tells a story.
So it's a storygame and not an RPG?
:p
Quote from: Tommy Brownell;581774So it's a storygame and not an RPG?
:p
Hee.
Not what i meant, but it'll work. :p
I'll finally be able to get Tome of Corruption! :D
Quote from: Skywalker;581768and Star Wars RPG pillaging it, I think 3e is going into retirement.
I hadn't heard about that . What star Wars RPg is this, and what did they pillage?
QuoteFWIW it had a decent run though (about the length of 2e's) with all the major supplements planned released for it IIRC.
Unfortunately the elves got pretty short shrifted in this edition. I was hoping for at leats one more supplement to give them a magic system at least.
It does sound appealing, but since there may be an neat alternative (*ahem*Zweihander*cough*), I'm willing to sit back and let them both vie for my affections.
Vie!
Quote from: TristramEvans;581797I hadn't heard about that . What star Wars RPg is this, and what did they pillage?
The dice mechanic, the basic stat/skill/talent (sans cards), and some of the resource management.
Quote from: TristramEvans;581797Unfortunately the elves got pretty short shrifted in this edition. I was hoping for at leats one more supplement to give them a magic system at least.
They got shrifted in every edition, 2e was just no different.
But then again, they are Elves so true WFRP fans don't really care :p
Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;581745I'm genuinely curious what the print quality will be like. Has anyone worked with DriveThruRPG's print on demand option?
Works great. My copy of majestic Wilderlands is beat to hell and back and still holds together.
Quote from: Skywalker;581768Yeah, between The Enemy Within re-release, 2e going POD, and Star Wars RPG pillaging it, I think 3e is going into retirement.
TBH, according to the rumour mill, is already in retirement, with no authors having written anything new, the last play-test being the disguised SW rules and the Enemy Within being locked in a drawer despite being finished months ago.
QuoteFWIW it had a decent run though (about the length of 2e's) with all the major supplements planned released for it IIRC.
I have no idea what supplements they planned tbh, but their certainly seems to be a lot of material 1st and 2nd covered that 3rd has not even touched upon yet.
Quote from: Skywalker;581722Well, well: http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/62847/Warhammer-Fantasy-Roleplay-2nd-Edition-Core-Rulebook?term=warhammer+roleplay
I guess FFG sees it that if all the cool kids are doing it, then it should do so too :)
Neat, hopefully my evil plan to move into a small duplex and work at home comes to fruition so I will have money for books and maybe even food.:)*
*I'm pretty sure I can get food stamps for the pesky food thing given my current circumstances just been way busy lately, no time to get to the Welfare place and apply.:)
Quote from: jadrax;581846I have no idea what supplements they planned tbh, but their certainly seems to be a lot of material 1st and 2nd covered that 3rd has not even touched upon yet.
It is true that they did not cover much region setting material and it covered much less than 2e (though it seemed roughly equivalent to 1e, if not a little more, given 1e's focus on adventures). But 3e covered quite a bit and everything initially planned, if anything can be gleaned from the material released.
Quote from: Skywalker;581849though it seemed roughly equivalent to 1e, if not a little more, given 1e's focus on adventures.
1st edition had two large city source books, which I think puts it considerably ahead.
Quote from: jadrax;5818671st edition had two large city source books, which I think puts it considerably ahead.
I am by no means an expert on 3e as I can't stand it, but it has had a decent amount of material released for it. Outside of the mechanic only books and adventures, there is the Bestiary, two Books on Magic, two Books on Religion, a Book on War, a Book on Politics, and 4 Books on the Chaos Powers.
I am not sure where it sits exactly in terms of quantum TBH, but I think 3e did OK in terms of amount of material it released and covered all the obvious gaps in it's schedule. YMMV I guess.
Quote from: Skywalker;581874I am by no means an expert on 3e as I can't stand it, but it has had a decent amount of material released for it. Outside of the mechanic only books and adventures, there is the Bestiary, two Books on Magic, two Books on Religion, a Book on War, a Book on Politics, and 4 Books on the Chaos Powers.
TBH, I think splitting the box-sets down into separate books is overly generous. Especially when something like Liber Infectous, the Nurgle Book is 48 pages, and 28 of those are the scenario. It is really just the GM section of Signs of Faith (also 48 pages) put in a separate book because you can do that with a boxed set.
But it actually works out even thinner than that. Because despite the fact that there in a box of cards, about 50% of Signs of Faith is actually rules rather than setting. So you get 30 pages of setting in Signs of Faith and another ten pages in Liber Infectous. I believe the other 'Chaos Power' box sets are around the same ratios.
Quote from: Skywalker;581768Yeah, between The Enemy Within re-release, 2e going POD, and Star Wars RPG pillaging it, I think 3e is going into retirement.
In other news which is perhaps relevant to this, Jay Little has just launched a Kickstarter for a totally new RPG using a few of the regular 3rd edition writers.
Quote from: jadrax;581930In other news which is perhaps relevant to this, Jay Little has just launched a Kickstarter for a totally new RPG using a few of the regular 3rd edition writers.
Is this independant of FFG?
Quote from: One Horse Town;581931Is this independant of FFG?
Looks that way, I think its his own company from the write up.
I found the link again: http://www.coriolisdefect.com/
Do not take me linking this as an advertisement or recommendation.
Quote from: jadrax;581934Looks that way, I think its his own company from the write up.
I must admit i lost interest in keeping abreast of FFG years ago, so i haven't kept up to date with comings and goings. Is he still an employee of FFG?
Edit: My eyes glazed over after reading about 'unique mechanics'. It could be an interesting concept, but the blurb comes across more as there are ways in the game to replay what you've done before untill you get the end-result you want. Needless to say - i don't want.
Quote from: One Horse Town;581936I must admit i lost interest in keeping abreast of FFG years ago, so i haven't kept up to date with comings and goings. Is he still an employee of FFG?
As far as I knew he is the lead developer on Star Wars and has a dozen board-game design credits as well. Although I believe he took some time of with a Heart Attack last year.
Well, I wish him luck, the Coriolis Defect certainly looks like he's come up with an IC way to "set the stakes". It actually sounds interesting.
Maybe with the apparent death of WFRP3, we're getting over the "get cred by fucking over an established IP with radical changes, so I can get the backing for the game I really want to make using those ideas" (aka Rob Boyle Shadowrun Syndrome).
Quote from: Skywalker;581813The dice mechanic, the basic stat/skill/talent (sans cards), and some of the resource management.
That dice mechanic is the best innovation in RPG game design to come out in the last 20 years, IMO, I just adapted it to use for my CoC games. I'm halfway tempted to pick up the new Star Wars RPG just based on that, though I haven't touched a SW game since d6 1e.
Quote from: jadrax;581879TBH, I think splitting the box-sets down into separate books is overly generous.
Possibly. As I admitted, I am not an expert on 3e :)
Quote from: TristramEvans;581985That dice mechanic is the best innovation in RPG game design to come out in the last 20 years, IMO, I just adapted it to use for my CoC games. I'm halfway tempted to pick up the new Star Wars RPG just based on that, though I haven't touched a SW game since d6 1e.
I don't personally agree but I assume FFG thinks that there are enough people who think like you, given its definitely the core fo the system :)
Book usually goes from £15 - £30 on ebay, depending on the phase of the moon and how recent the last auction was. Of course, Rules Cyclopedias used to go for about the same and I've seen them go for stupid money. Think one was £70+ the other month and I had to look twice and rub my eyes.
So yeah, that's an expensive book, but if you want clean, unused, new I guess it's an option.
If WOTC go the same route with the BECMI or RC sets I'd have to restrain myself, admittedly. I'm glad this stuff will live on though. Sure, newer is shinier and the cool kids might play it, but a lot of the time there's nothing broken about the thing its replacing...
Quote from: APN;581992Book usually goes from £15 - £30 on ebay, depending on the phase of the moon and how recent the last auction was.
There are other WFRP2e books that usually go for a lot more than the rulebook.
The range of prices on ebay is weird. There's currently a Games master's Tool Kit listed at 65 quid.
One advantage of POD is that it should create more stability in the second hand market too. You get a stable baseline which other prices become based off.
Well, its a good thing that they're bringing 2e back in this way.
Doesn't mean much for me personally, since I have just about every WFRP 2e book, or at least every one I'd want. Including the Tome of Corruption, which I regularly use in my Dark Albion game.
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Quote from: jadrax;581997The range of prices on ebay is weird. There's currently a Games master's Tool Kit listed at 65 quid.
That item has been high priced for years.
Probably won't change either, as I don't believe they will do screens as POD.
The other usual big $ items in the line:
Night's Dark Masters
Children of the Horned Rat
Realm of the Ice Queen
Tome of Corruption and Career Compendium were two the big ones, though. Good to see them available.
Hope we see this with more games.
Quote from: jadrax;581997The range of prices on ebay is weird. There's currently a Games master's Tool Kit listed at 65 quid.
pah, just look at the prices for stuff on Amazon. Some people want thousands, and it ain't an auction site.