Quote from: S'mon;959551Great cover though.

You mean this one? Kind of surprised that one didn't cause more outrage.

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They can call me a misogynist all they want that's a great cover...my wife thinks so to.

Got to say with the exception of the D&D stuff because I own it Sarah Newton is the best recommendation so far.

Quote from: CRKrueger;959579You mean this one? Kind of surprised that one didn't cause more outrage.

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Yeah, I was very surprised that I never heard a peep from the usual suspects when that came out.

The Void was a d20 product that came out in 2001 during the OGL's heyday. It was written by Mr. and Mrs. Stanton, who published it as "Stanton Industries," though I can't confirm either of their names now; in fact, the only further confirmation I could find was that they later formally dissolved the company and split up.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;958176Olivia Johnston?

Man, it looks to me that women have always been well represented in RPGs.  Huhn, who knew.

Not really. Take this list we're assembling here, stack it against the list of male authors. 'Nuff said.

Add to the list:

Christina Lea (Peryton RPG and T&T books among others)

Nancy collins (various WoD contributions as well as Sonya Blue fiction)

Debora Kerr (Lejentia Chronicles)

Lee Gold (Alarums & Excursions)

Quote from: nDervish;959676Yeah, I was very surprised that I never heard a peep from the usual suspects when that came out.

I'm not surprised. The PI on the cover may have a nice figure but she's not actively engaged in any of the trigger stuff that causes the usual suspects to flip out (provocative "come hither" pose, torn or skimpy garments, exposed cleavage, etc.)

At best your left with threat of imminent tentacle rape but I think because that's an anime trope it somehow gets a pass or something.

Quote from: camazotz;959753Not really. Take this list we're assembling here, stack it against the list of male authors. 'Nuff said.

Why?  What are you implying?

Quote from: camazotz;959753Add to the list:

Christina Lea (Peryton RPG and T&T books among others)

Nancy collins (various WoD contributions as well as Sonya Blue fiction)

Debora Kerr (Lejentia Chronicles)

Lee Gold (Alarums & Excursions)

Even more women, and somehow that's 'not good enough' for what?

Quote from: camazotz;959754I'm not surprised. The PI on the cover may have a nice figure but she's not actively engaged in any of the trigger stuff that causes the usual suspects to flip out (provocative "come hither" pose, torn or skimpy garments, exposed cleavage, etc.)

Some of the images that do draw ire don't have those things either unless tilt your head and squint real hard...

Quote from: nDervish;959676Yeah, I was very surprised that I never heard a peep from the usual suspects when that came out.

Yeah. [outrage] she's attractive, you can tell she's shapely. She's *gasp* bent foward over the desk as if presenting for the shadowy tentacles...[/outage I wonder why it got a pass.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;959760Why?  What are you implying?



Even more women, and somehow that's 'not good enough' for what?

I've asked this before and never get an answer. I assume its when women are roughly half or greater?

Quote from: Christopher Brady;959760Why?  What are you implying?

Even more women, and somehow that's 'not good enough' for what?

As I have mentioned several times now - there are no female celebrity game designers at the same level of popularity as the many male ones. Monte Cook, John Wick, Robert J Shwaulb, Bruce R Cordel, Jonathan Tweet, James Ward, hell Raggi, Pundit, Zack Smith ... (we could go on for some time...), so now name one female game designer with the same level of clout, name recognition or sheer "brand" as any of these male designers. Could she raise $1 mil in Kickstarters for her company in two years? Would her name light a new Kickstarter on fire to the tune of 300% funding in the first day? The existence of the current cadre of female creators in this hobby/industry hardly compares to the current cadre of male creators in clout. It is easy to see how the hobby favors male creators, male owners and male participants. I'm not saying we're evil for it. I'm just thinking that more awareness, admiration and encouragement might be a good start to reducing the obvious disparity.

It's one thing to note that there is a disparity. It's another to think that this is a problem, when it's just the lawful results of people being people. Just because there's no woman with the brand strength of Gygax doesn't mean that something is wrong.

Could we keep this thread for positive promotion of female RPG names and the other to have the battle of the sexes.

Quote from: trechriron;959781As I have mentioned several times now - there are no female celebrity game designers at the same level of popularity as the many male ones. Monte Cook, John Wick, Robert J Shwaulb, Bruce R Cordel, Jonathan Tweet, James Ward, hell Raggi, Pundit, Zack Smith ... (we could go on for some time...), so now name one female game designer with the same level of clout, name recognition or sheer "brand" as any of these male designers. Could she raise $1 mil in Kickstarters for her company in two years? Would her name light a new Kickstarter on fire to the tune of 300% funding in the first day? The existence of the current cadre of female creators in this hobby/industry hardly compares to the current cadre of male creators in clout. It is easy to see how the hobby favors male creators, male owners and male participants. I'm not saying we're evil for it.

So?

Quote from: trechriron;959781I'm just thinking that more awareness, admiration and encouragement might be a good start to reducing the obvious disparity.

Why?  Because of their work, or because they're women?

Quote from: trechriron;959781As I have mentioned several times now - there are no female celebrity game designers at the same level of popularity as the many male ones. Monte Cook, John Wick, Robert J Shwaulb, Bruce R Cordel, Jonathan Tweet, James Ward, hell Raggi, Pundit, Zack Smith ... (we could go on for some time...), so now name one female game designer with the same level of clout, name recognition or sheer "brand" as any of these male designers. Could she raise $1 mil in Kickstarters for her company in two years? Would her name light a new Kickstarter on fire to the tune of 300% funding in the first day? The existence of the current cadre of female creators in this hobby/industry hardly compares to the current cadre of male creators in clout. It is easy to see how the hobby favors male creators, male owners and male participants. I'm not saying we're evil for it. I'm just thinking that more awareness, admiration and encouragement might be a good start to reducing the obvious disparity.

While Lisa Stevens of Paizo is primarily an executive not an author, I'd say she does have the brand name recognition of most of those names (below Gygax/Arneson but above Wick, probably above Cordell & Shwaulb I'd guess) - and that Pathfinder MMORPG did just about raise $1 million.
Say she left Paizo and ran an independent Kickstarter, yes I definitely think she could compare to Monte Cook in sums raised.

Oh, & of course the RPG hobby is not sexist against female creators, as you possibly appear to be saying. That'd be an idiotic thing to say if you meant it.