Quote from: Cranewings;367520Rather than leave out feats, I think it would be better to specify packages of feats that go together in certain orders. For example, a fighter with all the mounted combat feats would be a knight.

That's the major change the French OGL game Chroniques Oubliees JdR made to 3.5.

I mentioned the game on this forum before, and my most recent and concise description I posted in the comments section of this LotFP blog post.

Feats (or rather class features and skills) are arranged into what looks like old MERP/RM spell lists. In the introductory game (a boxed sets for levels 1-4) there are 3 feat chains per character class, eg.

Fighter

• Way of the Shield
• Way of Combat
• Way of Resistance

with 4 feats/skills each.

Spells are feats, so the Cleric feat chain Way of the Prayer has such diverse skills as

• the spell prayer
  
• turn undead (or rather destroy undead as it does 2d6 damage)
• the spell sanctuary
  
• a divine intervention/luck feature that--once per combat--lets the player turn any one successful die roll into a failure, or vice versa.

There's no spell memorization anymore. The feat description lists how often it can be used.

Experience is also very simple - pick two feats per level.

There are no rules for multiclassing (at least not in the intro box).

Hmmm rather having my 666th post here in this thread full of Deathstalker... (which I'm gonna watch later this week, thanks to you guys).

So one of my 3.5 players wrote on our private forum, "I think I'm still looking too much into the numbers in the character sheet, instead of playing."

And I wish to share my reply. Fear ALBERICH, the feat-less wizard!!!!

My Response

I'm falling into the same trap, whether DMing or playing. Basically, the more rules you got to track, the more your mind is preoccupied on stuff better spent on free form roleplaying. So for Stephan's upcoming Pathfinder campaign, I created for myself a simplified character sheet, based on the Heroquest boardgame. The less info on that sheet, the better. So instead of tracking all 30 skills in the game, I only write down those I've got ranks in (all other default to ability checks anyway). I also don't plan on taking feats, ever.

To see the effect, here's my PF character. I rolled up stats in order using 3d6. The result feels very AD&D 2nd edition, which was what I wanted. I got myself an elven wizard who can't even cast 3rd level spells, so he even got his very own level cap at level 5! You can't even imagine how proud I'm gonna be if (and that's a real if) I can play him skillfully enough so that he even lives long enough to even MAKE it to level 5.

The character's name - Alberich - is both a pun on the dwarf who mentored the greatest dragonslayer of all times (Siegfried, as per Wagner's opera) - and a nod to the Heroquest boardgame (which, as stated, I'm stealing the char sheet from) where the elf was called "Der Alb" in German. I love that. Alptraum (German for nightmare) basically means 'I dreamt of an elf'. Alberich's goal is to become that elf.

Quote from: Windjammer;367609So for Stephan's upcoming Pathfinder campaign, I created for myself a simplified character sheet, based on the Heroquest boardgame.

Whoa! Do you have a higher resolution for that sheet? It's awesome!

Quote from: Benoist;367620Whoa! Do you have a higher resolution for that sheet? It's awesome!

Unfortunately no. I based the layout on a scan of the original Heroquest char sheet I found on a fansite. That said, if I ever own an original sheet myself and did a high quality scan - or someone else here link me to one on the 'net - I'd be happy to do the layout again, but until then this will have to do.

Quote from: Windjammer;367609I'm falling into the same trap, whether DMing or playing. Basically, the more rules you got to track, the more your mind is preoccupied on stuff better spent on free form roleplaying. So for Stephan's upcoming Pathfinder campaign, I created for myself a simplified character sheet, based on the Heroquest boardgame.

Yeah, dude... that is tight as hell.  Really, really good.  Think it will hold up to higher levels?

Also, thanks for busting your 666 post on us.  Deathstalker appreciates it.  Let's celebrate with this:

"Good job on your 666th post!  I'll kill this shark for you."

Maybe you'd care to post that char sheet in this gasping thread?:  Don't judge a game..

Quote from: Benoist;367620Whoa! Do you have a higher resolution for that sheet? It's awesome!

I can probably whip one of those out, if anyone is interested.

Quote from: StormBringer;367631I can probably whip one of those out, if anyone is interested.

That'd be cool! Please, when you get the time?

Quote from: Benoist;367632That'd be cool! Please, when you get the time?

Sure!  You want a more or less exact copy, or can I play around with the graphics a bit?

Quote from: StormBringer;367668Sure!  You want a more or less exact copy, or can I play around with the graphics a bit?

Thanks! You can try playing around with it and see what happens.
What'd be awesome would be able to print it off a half standard print page, you know?

(thinking of asking for an AD&D equivalent too LOL)

Quote from: Benoist;367677Thanks! You can try playing around with it and see what happens.
What'd be awesome would be able to print it off a half standard print page, you know?

(thinking of asking for an AD&D equivalent too LOL)

I will see what I can fiddle around.  I don't think Windjammer wants me ripping off his design then making it available for everyone, so I will see what I can do to keep the feel.  

Quote from: StormBringer;367682I will see what I can fiddle around.  I don't think Windjammer wants me ripping off his design then making it available for everyone, so I will see what I can do to keep the feel.  

You know what would help?  A pic of Batman killing a shark on it.

Quote from: StormBringer;367682I will see what I can fiddle around.  I don't think Windjammer wants me ripping off his design then making it available for everyone, so I will see what I can do to keep the feel.  

Are you joking? I've got absolutely no proprietary feelings over the file(s) I posted. If you can spare some time to improve on my amateurish efforts, that's a benefit to us all. Plus, my 'design' was simply copy-pasting parts from the PF document onto a scan of the Heroquest stuff... it's not like I've invented or drawn anything here, really.

Quote from: Windjammer;367688Are you joking? I've got absolutely no proprietary feelings over the file(s) I posted. If you can spare some time to improve on my amateurish efforts, that's a benefit to us all. Plus, my 'design' was simply copy-pasting parts from the PF document onto a scan of the Heroquest stuff... it's not like I've invented or drawn anything here, really.

You sure?  I like the design elements, I was going to try to keep those as close as possible.  Ramping up my own efforts to get some design work going, I know copyrights and plagiarism are pretty touchy.  I will put an overlay on that design and mix it up a bit to keep the Heroquest folks off my back, then.  

EDIT:
Ok, this will probably be shrunk down like the map pngs, so I will put a link to it as well.

This is the incredibly baroque version, I will be using it for outlines on a simpler one later.

Download

(waaaay too big to display.    )

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