Quote from: PookaDoes it matter if I listened to the podcast? How can you be sure?  I'm a great actor - I've stared in nine major motion pictures - and I guarantee you can't be sure of anything I say or do based on mannerisms.  So again, how can you be sure?

My dick's real big too!

How can anyone be sure of anything?  I'm a Democrat because I'm sure they're mostly right, and others on here can be Republicans and be sure they're right.  You can't be sure of anything, on any kind of level, other than the fact that the self exists.

But on the subject of FtB joking, yes, I'm fucking sure because I'm sure.

Quote from: joewolzMy dick's real big too!

I just want to attest, because I like the ennies people reading this thread.

Joe Wolz is like a baby's arm holding an apple!

Why all the defensiveness? I love the tone of the posts and the snark.

I asked questions, that's all.  You guys seem quite defensive for a bunch of questions and an honest look, from an outsider, at the judge voting process.

I get it.  I'm not out to excuse the Fear the Boot crowd.  I don't know them, hadn't even heard of them until these threads, and could give a rats ass if they are judges or not.

I'm simply pointing out that there was no explicit rule.  Now it's been implied that I have Asperger's syndrome, and that if not told otherwise, I'll walk off high ledges, and that I believe that if it's not explicitly disallowed, it's not wrong.

You're conflating issues. Something not explicitly stated in the rules may be wrong; but it's not against the rules. And it's fine to make that judgement, especially when you're the ones running the show. But it's not out of the realm of possibility that you're going to get blowback.

Quote from: SettembriniThe reason is plainly and easily that the programmer guy who runs the vote is a whiney bitch who takes himself way to seriously.
Again, the "official" reason was the "dishonouring of the awards"
 
Dishonourable, my ass.

Hi.
I'm the manager for the Awards.  At no point did I or any other member of the Board of Directors for the ENnies state that the "official" reason was the "dishonouring of the awards".  Please get your facts straight.

OK.
But Morris [the ENNIE programmer guy] did say this:
 

Quote»You are not being punished for revealing the weaknesses of the system. You are not being punished for cheating. You are being punished for holding the awards process in contempt, for encouraging cheating, for debasing and devaluing both the awards and the process by which they are derived, and for calling into question the integrity of the awards.

This whole turn of events is unfortunate for all parties concerned, but we have no choice. If we do not disqualify you for these offenses the awards become what you already apparently consider them to be as indicated by your behavior: a joke.«

So, praytell, is the official reason now their cheating?
They admitted that some of them voted from work and from office.
 
Is it that?
That´s why they have been forced to step down?
Because they admitted they had voted from work as well as from the office?
Will you persecute all others who did so?
 
How about all the MS-IPs that were used for abusal voting?
FtB uncovered that, how about that?
What are you going to do about it?
 
The only thing foul here I can see is a scapegoat. Are the ENNIES now clean?
Is abuse now contained?
 
What exact purpose did the forced abdication serve?
To show what?
What´s the message you want to send?

Hi James,

One of the difficulties of this medium is the lack of context in tone and expression.  So if I've misread your posts, I apologize.

Please consider my situation:  I do a quick scan for ENnies mention on my fave boards, and come across this thread, full of lies and accusations.  "Why all the defensiveness"?  Are you kidding?  Have you not seen the attacks in this thread alone?  Your posts could be construed as leading questions, or an honest effort to understand the situation.  Without context, it's hard to tell.

In my replies, I've tried to maintain a neutral if somewhat lighthearted tone.  As for the Asperger's thang, I have never done such a thing.  Just like the Fear the Boot fanboys have gone off the deep end defending their cause, the ENnies have a few fans as well who will jump to the Awards' defence.  

It's the Internet.  Of course there will be blowback, especially when dealing with a bunch of rules lawyers.  Honestly, there are lots of people who had never heard of either the ENnies or Fear the Boot before this came up, and it's doing both groups a world of good in the publicity department, I'm sure.  

I would prefer it if some of the outright lies would stop being spread, but once again, hey, it's teh intarweb.

Quote from: James J SkachWhy all the defensiveness? I love the tone of the posts and the snark.

I asked questions, that's all.  You guys seem quite defensive for a bunch of questions and an honest look, from an outsider, at the judge voting process.

I get it.  I'm not out to excuse the Fear the Boot crowd.  I don't know them, hadn't even heard of them until these threads, and could give a rats ass if they are judges or not.

I'm simply pointing out that there was no explicit rule.  Now it's been implied that I have Asperger's syndrome, and that if not told otherwise, I'll walk off high ledges, and that I believe that if it's not explicitly disallowed, it's not wrong.

You're conflating issues. Something not explicitly stated in the rules may be wrong; but it's not against the rules. And it's fine to make that judgement, especially when you're the ones running the show. But it's not out of the realm of possibility that you're going to get blowback.

Denise, before you are being contemptful of your own kind again:
 
You are being the rules lawyer right now.
Rules lawyering without getting the spirit of the game or the rules.

Sheesh! This is insane!

THIS IS A WEB-BASED AWARD FOR GAMES!

It's not the Nobel prize, folks!

AN AWARD!!! FOR GAMES!!! WEB-BASED!!!

And we are talking about a freaking PODCAST!

Keep things in proportion. This is by definition NO BIG DEAL!

This should be fun, not serious!

-clash

Quote from: flyingmiceSheesh! This is insane!

THIS IS A WEB-BASED AWARD FOR GAMES!

It's not the Nobel prize, folks!

AN AWARD!!! FOR GAMES!!! WEB-BASED!!!

And we are talking about a freaking PODCAST!

Keep things in proportion. This is by definition NO BIG DEAL!

This should be fun, not serious!

-clash

What he said! I'm personally stoked to have two things i worked on nominated for awards. But to put it in perspective, when i told a friend of mine about this, he said, "Cool! That's got to be pleasing!". My response, "Yep!"

Then he said, "So how prestigious are these awards then? Like the oscars or the baftas?" I had to think about it for a while, before answering. I came up with, "Well, it's one of the two most prestigious RPG awards really. So sort of like the European football championship, as opposed to the World cup, i guess."

Then he said, "What about in the real writing world?" To which, my response was "A bit like getting your bronze swimming profficiency badge."

It's awards for a niche business. Cool be to involved, but as clash pointed out, not something to get too invested in.

Quote from: One Horse TownThen he said, "What about in the real writing world?" To which, my response was "A bit like getting your bronze swimming profficiency badge."

It's awards for a niche business. Cool be to involved, but as clash pointed out, not something to get too invested in.

Thanks, Dan! Nicely put!

-clash

Quote from: DeniseHi.
I'm the manager for the Awards.  At no point did I or any other member of the Board of Directors for the ENnies state that the "official" reason was the "dishonouring of the awards".  Please get your facts straight.

See, what really got myself and a lot of other people up in arms was  This Post by Michael Morris, which directly contradicts what you are telling us here.

Quote from: Michael Morris on the FtB forumsYou are not being punished for revealing the weaknesses of the system. You are not being punished for cheating. You are being punished for holding the awards process in contempt, for encouraging cheating, for debasing and devaluing both the awards and the process by which they are derived, and for calling into question the integrity of the awards.

At this point it's hard to know what to believe.

Quote from: GoOrangeSee, what really got myself and a lot of other people up in arms was  This Post by Michael Morris, which directly contradicts what you are telling us here.
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At this point it's hard to know what to believe.

Hey! I am not in any sort of position to make any official statements. But I can spell out a few things that might clear up some confusion.

The ENnies board of directors consists of Russel Morrissey (AKA "Morrus"), Denise Robinson, and Rich Miller. Only the board of directors is empowered to make a call as to who is disqualified and why.

Michael Morris is the programmer who handles all of the board programming and has assisted the awards in various other ways. He is not on the board of directors.

As an another point of clarification, Morrus and Michael Morris are two different people.

If there is some confusion about what the official stance is, I would defer to what Denise has to say.

So it remains:
What was the message meant to be sent with the forced step-down?
What were they trying to accomplish?

Can they clarify whether Morrisey was involved? Because I've so-far given that guy money on three occaisions. And I love Enworld. But man, I think the ennies are coned. Whoever decided this should be an industry award? This used to be a fun award. Now it's all "official" and inclusive to games I don't care about, and there's all these people I don't know involved. Screw that!

It used to be the Origins award was the one where you had no interest in the majority of the products that had gotten nominations.

I can totally buy into the Ennies being hosed by bad decisions from a certain someone* on the board. Going all out to bring in the forgies, for example seemed like a shockingly bad idea, and other decisions that have been made over the last couple of years have really turned the ennies into an award that is somehow not as cool as it used to be.

So I'm kinda having a hard time caring about this, other than it enabled me to make that baby's arm holding an apple comment.

So someone please confirm...

Was Morrus involved? What was his take on this?


* Whose last name doesn't begin with an "M"

Quote from: Serious PaulThat's one pretty narrow minded way of looking at it.

Of course it's narrow. I've found the perfectly correct (to me) response to the philosophical / moral problems underlying the current situation. Why would I need to branch out from that?

If you cheat, and you admit it in public, and even ask that others do the same; you're stupid and deserve the punishment.