Quote from: darThe reavers ARE the survivors.

and the Reavers are undead now??  well there's something you never saw watching the show/movie...

Quote from: kregmosierand the Reavers are undead now??  well there's something you never saw watching the show/movie...

The same goes for the BORG. But who reads the OP anyways?

Quote from: darThe same goes for the BORG. But who reads the OP anyways?

Oh, another plop bashing on me. :sleeping:

Quote from: Dominus NoxOh, another plop bashing on me. :sleeping:

Who's bashing?

I don't think I'm even fighting kregmosier, at least I hope I'm not.

Just pointing out that you left it open for things like the Borg and maybe even the Reavers and victims of the Rage. Yea, not zombies strictly speaking, but seeing that not even the voodo zombies are really dead I felt that the license was warrented...

aw crap... enough with the nicey nice.

I loves me the reavers cause they's zombies!

And, actually, Romero's 'zombies' were referred to as "ghouls" in NotLD. Undead ain't a pre-requisite for "zombie", it's just the first thing that tends to come to mind.

Quote from: Dominus NoxOh, another plop bashing on me. :sleeping:

He was commenting on the general trend in internet threads to ignore the parameters of the original post (OP), in this case that it was clear we weren't just talking undead.

No slam at all.

Me, I'm with the Romero zombies ignoring the fourth movie which sadly never got made, along with the sequels to The Matrix and Highlander which also sadly never got made.

Quote from: jdrakehAnd, actually, Romero's 'zombies' were referred to as "ghouls" in NotLD. Undead ain't a pre-requisite for "zombie", it's just the first thing that tends to come to mind.

Quite, 28 Days Later is a zombie movie, the infected in it are zombies, but they're not undead.

By way of evidence, the director refers to it as being a zombie movie.

Quote from: darWho's bashing?

I don't think I'm even fighting kregmosier, at least I hope I'm not.

Just pointing out that you left it open for things like the Borg and maybe even the Reavers and victims of the Rage. Yea, not zombies strictly speaking, but seeing that not even the voodo zombies are really dead I felt that the license was warrented...

aw crap... enough with the nicey nice.

I loves me the reavers cause they's zombies!

nope...didn't take it as bashing.

so if the definition extends to anything, can we include Republicans?!

Quote from: kregmosiernope...didn't take it as bashing.

so if the definition extends to anything, can we include Republicans?!

 Nope - because Bo Derek is republican and she's definitely still living.

Since we are on the subject of zombies, heres and article I wrote for skullring.org.

QuoteHistory of the Zombie: A Beginners Guide
 
Zombies have become one of the more popular themes in horror since George Romero's Night of the Living Dead. While Romero's films did cause the zombie explosion in movies, zombie were not always flesh-eating walking dead. In fact zombies in film date back to the pulp era and even earlier among Haitians who practiced voodoo.

Haitian zombies are created by Bizango voodoo priests using a poisoning drug. Then they are revived by Hougan (voodoo priests) using other drugs. The Hougan then is able to control the zombie and make it do his will. Only people who committed a terrible crime would be turned into a zombie.

Haitian zombies were the major influence for the early zombie films like White Zombie(1932), Revolt of the Zombies(1936, and king of Zombies (1941). The zombies of this era are what I like to call "pulp zombies". Generally they were not flesh-eating walking corpses, but thralls of a voodoo master and had pulp heroes. The Magic Island by W.B. Seabrook is an example of pulp zombies in literature. As far as I can tell pull zombies have not been covered properly in gaming.

There are other cultural sources of zombies such as Revenants which were the soulless dead during the middle ages. The draugr ,the dead vikings, who came to life with super strength to attack the living. Other cultures including China, Japan, India, Native American, and other cultures have some sort of zombie like creature.

Romero's zombies are by far the most well know and popular type of zombie. His movies Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of The Dead, and Day of the Dead lead to the zombie explosion that we have today. Romero zombies are the flesh eating,sometimes rotten, walking corpses we all know an love. They vary in many ways such as how mobile and intelligent they are as well as how they are most easily eliminated. Another common theme is that Romero zombies can create other zombies by biting the living.Most of the zombies you encounter in books, movies,music, and video games these days have Romero roots.

Some of the notable movies that feature Romero zombies are ( besides Romero's own films):

Let Sleeping Corpses Lie
Return of the living Dead
Brain Dead
Cemetery Man

In novels zombies have been picking up steam. There are now nearly so many zombie related books out there that you couldn't likely read them all. Many authors have taken a crack @ zombies including H.P. Lovecraft, Piers Anthony, Fran Herbert, and Terry Pratchett. Some of the more interesting and more recent zombie novels are:

World War Z by Max Brooks-- This book is made up of a bunch of interviews and first hand stories taken from around the world during war against the zombie infestation. This is no doubt a book that any zombie fan should own.

The Rising by Brian Keene-- A particle accelerating experiment goes wrong and opens a rift to that demons come through and possess the bodies to of the dead.

Monster Island by David Wellington-- A plague turns Manhattan in to a zombie waste land except for two people who have psychic powers.

Down the Road by Bowie Ibarra-- A true Romero style zombie novel.


Zombies have had a fair amount of coverage in gaming with Resident Evil, Rising Dead, House of the Dead, and several other video games. Pen & paper RPGs also have some really good game like All Flesh Must Be Eaten, Year of the Zombie, and a new game The Dead.Board games have the classic Zombies! along with Mall of Horror. There are a few online zombie games as well, but the most notable is Urban Dead.

If you read,watch, or play the above zombie material you should have a pretty good understanding of all the different sources of zombies. Hopefully this article was helpful and informative.

For gaming purposes, I like NotLD zombies.

Mcrow:

I'd also add Day by Day Armageddon and Dead City to the list of recent books with Romero-style zombies.  (and both are great reads!)

Yeah, i plan to do an updated version of this article. I have read and seen a lot more zombie stuff since I wrote this. I will edit it next time.

Quote from: BalbinusQuite, 28 Days Later is a zombie movie, the infected in it are zombies, but they're not undead.

By way of evidence, the director refers to it as being a zombie movie.

Technically, things like Invasion of the Bodysnatchers (1976) are zombie flicks, as well. The "zombie" in film is best defined as a formerly sentient being turned into a primal automaton by an outside agent. . . from Romero's "ghouls" (again, in the original NotLD, they were never referred to as "zombies") to the victims of Rage in 28 Days Later.

And in literature, you have things like the "phoners" of Stephen King's Cell. Some may even argue that that the replicants of John W. Campbell's Who Goes There? qualify as zombies* -- the basic requirements are there, if you follow Campbell's story (the films skew it a bit)*.

*They (Campbell's replicants) deviate from almost all other zombies in film and literature, as they demonstrate advanced intelligence, although I've seen it argued that such intellect isn't real, but merely mimicked as part of a thing's natural camoflauge (as such, things can't take any real initiative and formulate their own ideas). This seems to be true of "things" in the short story, but not in the films.

Quote from: jdrakehRomero's "ghouls" (again, in the original NotLD, they were never referred to as "zombies")

I knew the word 'zombie' was never used, and in fact the only thing i remember being said about them was  "they're dead...they're All messed up" and referred to as "those things".

regardless, interesting points all around.

Quote from: kregmosierI knew the word 'zombie' was never used, and in fact the only thing i remember being said about them was  "they're dead...they're All messed up" and referred to as "those things".

regardless, interesting points all around.

True, in the movie they were never refered to as zombies, but Romero did lable them as "zombies".