6 years, no communication with his bankers. Extraordinary! Career suicide surely (although he's written for a number of products in the meantime, ironically)
Never heard of it.
What was it meant to be about?
Quote from: HorusArisen;980222Never heard of it.
What was it meant to be about?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/Adamant/far-west-western-wuxia-mashup-adventure-game/description
isn't it supposed to be out ANY DAY NOW?!?
:D
Quote from: remial;980234isn't it supposed to be out ANY DAY NOW?!?
:D
Like HeroQuest 25th Anniversary. Only longer. :(
Quote from: HorusArisen;980222Never heard of it.
What was it meant to be about?
One of a few projects this "designer" has had funded and then given an endless song and dance routine for years. While still conveniently working on other things.
There older threads on the whole debacle. And others. At least three of these allmost-scams.
Quote from: Omega;980236One of a few projects this "designer" has had funded and then given an endless song and dance routine for years. While still conveniently working on other things.
There older threads on the whole debacle. And others. At least three of these allmost-scams.
So he finally delivered? Because otherwise, I'd call 'em scams, nothing almost about it.
After the debacle that was the ICONS Team-Up pre-order, I chose to avoid this KS. Every time someone mentions Far West, I laugh to myself and think "Glad I dodged that bullet!"
It's like watching a car crash. It's just horrible but you can't tear yourself away.
I'd have bought it if it was ever on sale.
But he can't even be bothered to TALK to his backers! The whole thing is insane. What would it cost him to just actually explain to them what on earth is going wrong. I sympathise with genuine family/health issues, but if you drag out a project long enough inevitably one or more of thse will crop up. Simple law of averages.
I think Kickstarter should just cancel projects like that. Delete the page. This is never going to be fulfilled and at this point I think the backers need to wake up to themselves and not peddle the forlorn hope that they will ever see anything out of this.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;980237So he finally delivered? Because otherwise, I'd call 'em scams, nothing almost about it.
I wouldn't call this a scam per se, but he is definitely hiding something. He has not been forthcoming with anything approaching the truth. Meanwehile he has writing credits in the Dr Who rpg I see, and, iirc (though i see no mention in the credits) he was involved in the Star Trek rpg and possibly Conan (i seem to recall something about a boycott on rpg.net back in the day).
At one point Cubicle 7 were to publish the game, but, for reasons undivulged, that fell through.
God knows how much worse this would have been had he only received the five grand he asked for, not fifty.
But then perhaps that's the problem; he wanted to tout this as a transmedia property and I think went to tinsel town to see if he could sell it
Shame sounds interesting if not my cup of tea. I'm sure those backers are feeling frustrated about the lack of communication.
He's a hack and doesn't know how to handle project management?
Kickstarter, especially earlier KS projects, gave people with no project management skills, business, very poor ability to budget and forecast expenses large sums of money and we are shocked that these things fail. I'm willing to bet that a lot of these failed KS projects have project creators comingling their funds with the KS funds and once that is done....game over man.
My biggest problem with this jack ass is that he gets on social media and uses the "I'm fighting for SJ" as a deflection away from his actual failure. He has no time to finish his project but plenty of time and money to head to various conventions. He's a prick.
Quote from: Ulairi;980266Kickstarter, especially earlier KS projects, gave people with no project management skills, business, very poor ability to budget and forecast expenses large sums of money and we are shocked that these things fail. I'm willing to bet that a lot of these failed KS projects have project creators comingling their funds with the KS funds and once that is done....game over man.
Of the dozens of projects I've backed, RPGs have consistently been the worst. Whether it's John Wick not proofing his products, or James Wallis being years late on a product he said was ready (and whining for years, while working on a lackluster Paranoia despite promising not to take on other projects), TTRPGS from even big name professionals (Wallis ran a publishing company!) have proven disappointing. Which isn't to say they've -all- been bad, but at this point I've decided the risk-to-reward ratio simply isn't there. Maybe if I wanted PDFs I'd feel differently, because -that- is where you can get some absurdly good deals, but I don't care about PDFs except as a way to see if I want to buy the print product.
I have yet to see a KS for TTRPGs that didn't offer something exclusive (e.g. deluxe printing, boxed set, etc.) and you were better off backing the KS than waiting for retail discounters or same-price POD options.
Quote from: san dee jota;980272Of the dozens of projects I've backed, RPGs have consistently been the worst. Whether it's John Wick not proofing his products, or James Wallis being years late on a product he said was ready (and whining for years, while working on a lackluster Paranoia despite promising not to take on other projects), TTRPGS from even big name professionals (Wallis ran a publishing company!) have proven disappointing. Which isn't to say they've -all- been bad, but at this point I've decided the risk-to-reward ratio simply isn't there. Maybe if I wanted PDFs I'd feel differently, because -that- is where you can get some absurdly good deals, but I don't care about PDFs except as a way to see if I want to buy the print product.
I have yet to see a KS for TTRPGs that didn't offer something exclusive (e.g. deluxe printing, boxed set, etc.) and you were better off backing the KS than waiting for retail discounters or same-price POD options.
I'v backed a few but after my experience with Goodman Games and the forever late 4th printing and how MCC was released...I'm kind of over it. I also backed Aces & Eights to the tune of $500 only to find out that Jolly is a total partisan and I'm expecting it to be very late as well.
Q: Far West RPG what went wrong?
A: He didn't write the game before seeking funding.
Quote from: Dumarest;980276Q: Far West RPG what went wrong?
A: He didn't write the game before seeking funding.
Go on, take the money and run.
Oooooo, lawd!
Quote from: Black Vulmea;980280Go on, take the money and run.
Oooooo, lawd!
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Quote from: Dumarest;980276Q: Far West RPG what went wrong?
A: He didn't write the game before seeking funding.
Yeah, that's a guarantee for delays at the very least. But even when established creators -have- written the stuff first (e.g. Wick and Wallis above), there can still be problems.
I think the big glowing difference between success and failure consists of:
*) Are they working with an actual team, or just pretending to do so? (there are solo publishers out there who can actually deliver, but they're the exception)
*) Have they published before?
*) Have they done a Kickstarter before?
"But this pushes the little guy with an idea out of the market!"
Not at all. It just means the little guy with an idea has to actually make that idea into something first, then bring that something to market (KS), and try to sell it. All those other little guys with more ideas than work in them ruined it for everyone else with an idea, not the folks who actually deliver a product. Fortunately (?), failures like Far West have pushed people to come to market with more than a dream or a vision, but an actual product to show off. Nowadays, KS is used to help generate things like funds for art and layout, or pre-sales (KS is a pre-order store in all but legal name now), or company hype.
Quote from: Ulairi;980275I also backed Aces & Eights to the tune of $500 only to find out that Jolly is a total partisan and I'm expecting it to be very late as well.
Can I ask you to explain this a bit? Is there trouble afoot for it? A buddy of mine backed Aces as his first kickstarter and I hope he has a good experience.
And your earlier comments about "people with no project management skills, business, very poor ability to budget and forecast expenses" is dead on the money. And it is not limited to KS (or our hobby for that matter). Look at how many LGS go belly up for the same reasons. Or the various corpses of gaming companies that litter the history of gaming. Lots of people have had great creative ideas. Running a company is not really a creative exercise.
Quote from: Big Andy;980307Can I ask you to explain this a bit? Is there trouble afoot for it? A buddy of mine backed Aces as his first kickstarter and I hope he has a good experience.
And your earlier comments about "people with no project management skills, business, very poor ability to budget and forecast expenses" is dead on the money. And it is not limited to KS (or our hobby for that matter). Look at how many LGS go belly up for the same reasons. Or the various corpses of gaming companies that litter the history of gaming. Lots of people have had great creative ideas. Running a company is not really a creative exercise.
I'm just cynical with Kenzer and Co getting product done on time and see HoB II. I bet they get it out around Garycon time to GenCon next year. So 3-6 months late.
Quote from: Omega;980236There older threads on the whole debacle. And others. At least three of these allmost-scams.
Older (http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?33218-Far-West-RPG-Kickstarter-trouble) threads (http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?33653-Is-GMS-an-asshat-IRL) here, and if that's not enough schadenfreude for you there's a lot (https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?730409-Far-West-Status) more (https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?756354-Did-Far-West-ever-come-out) on Big (https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?788119-Far-West-Anniversary-Edition-Kickstarter) Purple (https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?795836-Sooo-Far-West-might-drop-today).
Quote from: Biscuitician;980241I think Kickstarter should just cancel projects like that. Delete the page. This is never going to be fulfilled and at this point I think the backers need to wake up to themselves and not peddle the forlorn hope that they will ever see anything out of this.
Yeah. I mean, the money for production is gone at this point, right? Six years later does anyone really think a man who's claimed to have health issues and employment trouble has left $50,000 untouched in a bank account?
Quote from: Black Vulmea;980280Go on, take the money and run.
That's the upshot. I'm not certain he planned to do so beforehand, if only because he didn't immediately change his name, address and his entire career field.
It's an interesting question, actually. Do con men all
know they're running a con, like a character in a musical planning to leave town with the cash box, or do they just get used to over-promising and making a partner or coworker pick up the slack? And then one day there's no one to pick up the slack and do the hard work.
I even wonder about an undiagnosed or unacknowledged mental health issue. I watched a family member go through a psychotic break once, and the way they were talking about getting work done when they were doing weird, random, ineffective things instead was strikingly similar to the way GMS was talking about tracing art to get the art done, and thinking that was actually acceptable, productive and resulting in good art.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;980237So he finally delivered? Because otherwise, I'd call 'em scams, nothing almost about it.
Id call it a scam too. But I know some of the die-hards here or elsewhere will screech "But hes shown us
stuff! Its not a scam!"
Sorry kids but what is it now 10 years of smoke and mirrors while working on other stuff? Yes it is a scam even if he finally delivers because people had to twist his arm to get what they payed for finally.
I don't call it a scam because i don't believe inentioinality has been sufficiently established.
But to post a video saying, for the umpteenth time, "soon..." just beggars belief.
How does he not see what harm he's causing and what is he hiding to cause this stupidity?
I don't think they should delete the page but con artists like Gereth shouldn't ever be allowed to participate on KS again. He's a lying piece of shit. If he just would own up to it and say the product isn't coming and he messed up by being irresponsible and misused the funds and showed actual contrition, I'd be more okay with it. But, instead, he uses the SJ Shield to deflect all criticism.
Quote from: Dave R;980404I even wonder about an undiagnosed or unacknowledged mental health issue. I watched a family member go through a psychotic break once, and the way they were talking about getting work done when they were doing weird, random, ineffective things instead was strikingly similar to the way GMS was talking about tracing art to get the art done, and thinking that was actually acceptable, productive and resulting in good art.
I can attest to the fact that being even near-psychotic can make you believe and do some absolutely far-fetched and strange shit, no matter what other people tell you. But I don't think that is the case here.
I wonder which will release first, Far West or Mekton Zero?
Of course, the answer is neither.
Quote from: Celestial;980537I wonder which will release first, Far West or Mekton Zero?
Of course, the answer is neither.
Of course, because
Buckaroo Banzai will be out first...in 2013! The problem is no one asked and everyone assumed he was using the Gregorian calendar when in fact he is using the Islamic calendar, wherein we are currently only in the year 1438. He's got plenty of time to deliver.
Q: Far West RPG what went wrong?
A: What didn't go wrong?
Quote from: 3rik;980542Q: Far West RPG what went wrong?
A: What didn't go wrong?
He collected $. Mission accomplished?
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;980227https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/Adamant/far-west-western-wuxia-mashup-adventure-game/description
I wonder who the idiot was that ponied up 1k? :D
Rpg kickstarters are frustrating enough without Skarka and Whitman involved [among others]. Even the ones that sound like they will go off without a hitch are riddled with problems. Scams aside I assume 2+ years from the time the project claims is reward time, even with those that are written before the project kicks off.
And Skarka has been accused of not paying illustrators for projects before this kickstarter. He had already proven he was not trustworthy.
I just requested a refund (which GMS says he will be paying "out of his own money"...actually he'll be paying it out of my money that I paid him, but that's just one more issue about this guy that winds people up). Apparently, there are 5 people in the queue ahead of me who've asked for a refund but, I've also been informed there will be an announcement this month that "may change my mind about a refund". Doesn't GMS get it - people are fed up of his "announcements" by now - they are normally followed by announcements of further delays because he's sick, his dog's sick, he's sick again, he's started a new job, he's got to attend some convention or other, he's sick again, he's had a family crisis...ad nauseum. As other posters have said, in 6 years, all these are things that are likely to happen to anyone. Anyway, looks like I've got to wait at least until the next announcement has been made...watch this space.
Quote from: Biscuitician;980242Who rpg I see, and, iirc (though i see no mention in the credits) he was involved in the Star Trek rpg
last I knew his only involvement in the Star Trek game was the author of the Andorian book had GMS's name translate to "shit head" in their language.
There haven't been Andorian sourcebooks for years.
I was referring to the new one.
I also don't think he set out to scam people. But he's way past explaining why he's ended up doing so. Why he thinks saying 'soon' all the time is ever going to help is extraordinary. He seems to be forever and only saying "i know rite? tHis game keeps getting delayed! what's up with that?"as if he has no control over any of this.
Quote from: Simon W;980640I just requested a refund (which GMS says he will be paying "out of his own money"...actually he'll be paying it out of my money that I paid him, but that's just one more issue about this guy that winds people up). Apparently, there are 5 people in the queue ahead of me who've asked for a refund but, I've also been informed there will be an announcement this month that "may change my mind about a refund". Doesn't GMS get it - people are fed up of his "announcements" by now - they are normally followed by announcements of further delays because he's sick, his dog's sick, he's sick again, he's started a new job, he's got to attend some convention or other, he's sick again, he's had a family crisis...ad nauseum. As other posters have said, in 6 years, all these are things that are likely to happen to anyone. Anyway, looks like I've got to wait at least until the next announcement has been made...watch this space.
No at this point, it will be out of his own pocket. THat fifty grand is long long gone.
Apparently he's released the equivalent of almost all the game, bizarrely, in piecemeal. I would love to see it.
That's what's so sad about it, the game is relevant to my interests though I'm not sure what you actually play and what the average FW scenario is like?
Perhaps someone could enlighten me.
Quote from: Ulairi;980266He's a hack and doesn't know how to handle project management?
Kickstarter, especially earlier KS projects, gave people with no project management skills, business, very poor ability to budget and forecast expenses large sums of money and we are shocked that these things fail. I'm willing to bet that a lot of these failed KS projects have project creators comingling their funds with the KS funds and once that is done....game over man.
My biggest problem with this jack ass is that he gets on social media and uses the "I'm fighting for SJ" as a deflection away from his actual failure. He has no time to finish his project but plenty of time and money to head to various conventions. He's a prick.
Theres many many threads on this over on BGG and another every couple of months where a designer who went KS comes back and tells us how things went badly. Theres a couple now enumerating how the designer actually LOST money to ensure the project shipped. Losts of reasons why. The most common being they got a quite from a factory for X amount of units. and then exceded that and found out that the next threshold up costs alot more. More than they budgeted.
Or a example from a few years ago where a game with alot of minis was funded. Under its original banner it was doable within the time frame set.
But.
Instead they got greedy and kept setting more and more minis up as stretch goals. To the point that the pieces wont be all done for about three more months for a project started in 2014.
This is exactly why Kevin Crawford runs his Kickstarters so conservatively. He doesn't launch until the book is written, and doesn't set any stretch goals that haven't been fully accounted for before Day One. It's not sexy, but he is 6 for 6 with his KS projects.
I agree with Biscuit. I don't think Gareth planned FW as a scam. Things went bad, he panicked, made thing worse, now can't dig himself out of the hole.
But this is why Kickstarter is patronage, not a pre-order service. Backers are risking money, not locking down an order.
I've been lucky. All the game projects I've backed so far (save one) have completed. Mermaid Tales went well and Threadbare (http://threadbarerpg.com/) recently finished and that only leaves DCC Lankhmar to go.
Threadbare looks fun. Tell us more once you get it.
Quote from: Voros;980888Threadbare looks fun. Tell us more once you get it.
I've got the PDF. It looks fun, probably not something I'll run... I mostly backed it because the author is local and has lots of enthusiasm.
I'll read it at some point and put up a cursory review.
Quote from: remial;980642last I knew his only involvement in the Star Trek game was the author of the Andorian book had GMS's name translate to "shit head" in their language.
If that's true, that's hilarious. Which Star Trek game was it? Obviously not FASA as they never produced an Andorian book...although if they had, it would have been cooler than anything Paramount came up with later (see:
Klingons). Still waiting on respect for Tellarites.
The book The Andorians: Among the Clans for Last Unicorn Games' TOS RPG does use the consonant combination SK-RK for "stupidity, feeblemindedness." I'm inclined to think it was coincidental, though, or at least not malevolent, since the book was published in 1999 and written by S. John Ross and Steven Long, both of whom were and are established professionals.
Quote from: Dumarest;980927If that's true, that's hilarious. Which Star Trek game was it? Obviously not FASA as they never produced an Andorian book...although if they had, it would have been cooler than anything Paramount came up with later (see: Klingons). Still waiting on respect for Tellarites.
Good luck, that game was shitcanned 15 years ago
Quote from: Biscuitician;980970Good luck, that game was shitcanned 15 years ago
You misread. Or deliberately misunderstand.
Does anyone know what the actual setting is? What compels it beyond the obvious genre mash?
that would be the one
Way back in 2012 Tavis Allston of Autarch told me, "Don't start a Kickstarter until your manuscript is done."
Best advice I've gotten in decades.
As someone who backed the game way back when, I thank my lucky stars that I only put down $10 for the pdf of it. Honestly, the results have been terrible, but there's only so much shaking the trees and complaining I'm willing to do for $10 - why should I let Skarka live in my head when he owes me money? :)
Thank god I didn't back Mekton Zero - I used to be a big Mekton fan.
Honestly, most kickstarters do fulfill. There's less than a dozen that I would say I got stiffed on, and that's out of over 200 projects I've backed. I may not get every stretch goal, but I don't get too worried about them even if I would like to get them. (I mean, it was nice that I got DCC six-siders and a dice bag from the DCC 4th edition kickstarter, but I wouldn't have been upset if they hadn't arrived.)
As an amusing side note, my daughter was born during the original kickstarter, and has just turned 6. :)
He hasn't bothered to post an update in months.
Why KS allows this shit to continue is as baffling as why the backers do.
Quote from: Biscuitician;984723He hasn't bothered to post an update in months.
Why KS allows this shit to continue is as baffling as why the backers do.
1) Kickstarter allows this shit to continue because they already *got* their cut. They present themselves as the antique mall that hosts multiple sellers in stalls - if the guy in stall 42 stiffed you, it's not the Mall's fault.
2) The backers have given up and gone away. Some of them continue to complain, but the squeakiest wheels already got their refunds and have washed their hands of the project. Others most likely have forgotten the project, were and are friends of Gareths who have forgiven his debt, or otherwise just figure continuing to worry about a rpg that obviously isn't going to happen is pretty low on their list of priorities. I mean, my wife's got Leukemia, and although there's a good chance she'll pull through, there's a sizeable chance that she won't. What do I care about $10 I spent six years ago? I spend that much each month on Dropbox.
Maybe we could narrow this down to "Far West RPG: what went right?"
Quote from: Dumarest;984749Maybe we could narrow this down to "Far West RPG: what went right?"
Well, he did release the collection of short stories that he'd promised. I haven't read it, but I remember downloading a copy of it. (Again, as a pdf. I don't think the story collection was ever intended to be published as a physical book.)
Quote from: jcfiala;9847251) Kickstarter allows this shit to continue because they already *got* their cut. They present themselves as the antique mall that hosts multiple sellers in stalls - if the guy in stall 42 stiffed you, it's not the Mall's fault.
2) The backers have given up and gone away. Some of them continue to complain, but the squeakiest wheels already got their refunds and have washed their hands of the project. Others most likely have forgotten the project, were and are friends of Gareths who have forgiven his debt, or otherwise just figure continuing to worry about a rpg that obviously isn't going to happen is pretty low on their list of priorities. I mean, my wife's got Leukemia, and although there's a good chance she'll pull through, there's a sizeable chance that she won't. What do I care about $10 I spent six years ago? I spend that much each month on Dropbox.
Very sorry to hear about your wife.
So, hey! Funny story.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/Adamant/far-west-western-wuxia-mashup-adventure-game/posts/2176530
He updated again. I'mma just leave this here for y'all. I'm sure someone will have some kind of opinion about it. I'm just gonna keep watching.
I need more popcorn.
Quote from: Jetstream;1036943So, hey! Funny story.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/Adamant/far-west-western-wuxia-mashup-adventure-game/posts/2176530
He updated again. I'mma just leave this here for y'all. I'm sure someone will have some kind of opinion about it. I'm just gonna keep watching.
I need more popcorn.
Well, I'm a little more excited by a d6 version of the game rather than a d20 version, myself. I will be pleasantly surprised if I get a game by July, but I'm certainly not going to make any plans for an August campaign. :)
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What I want to know is why L. Ron Hubbard is a character in this game?
It's Xenu's revenge for L. Ron exposing the truth about Midichlorians!
So why not just get Eric Trautmann to write it (instead of the supposed layout)? I remember talking with him on usenet back in the day when he was with WEG. I'm sure he could have it out by July.
Also, is there a worse artist than Rick Hershey working in the industry? It's like he attempts to be both photorealistic and abstract at the same time
I'd laugh but I backed Topher Gerkey's Rosemont Bay five years ago. :D
Quote from: JeremyR;1037244Also, is there a worse artist than Rick Hershey working in the industry? It's like he attempts to be both photorealistic and abstract at the same time
Rich hasn't been attached to this for years. That image Pundit posted was likely one of the ones GMS photo manipulated himself. He started doing that a few years ago, which led to some pointing out he used a few pictures he didn't have the right to use (as someone else owned the rights to them) or something to that effect.
I avoided this because I got burned on the ICONS Team Up pre-order (where people were promised a 10 buck coupon for the Adamant webstore. I am still waiting for mine, but never expect to see it). I did go through a similar situation with the Gallery of Evil KS from Spectrum. That at least dropped the pdf, and I got a partial refund down to the digital level (well, it was more than a partial). Similar situations, but I think for all the bad flack Cynthia has gotten over that and the CAH KS, she's still willing to give refunds 6 years later if requested. And CAH did get released in print; some supplements are still owed now
Quote from: Krimson;1037380I'd laugh but I backed Topher Gerkey's Rosemont Bay five years ago. :D
Yeah, I backed that one too. Happily, also at the pdf-only level.
Quote from: Jetstream;1036943So, hey! Funny story.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/Adamant/far-west-western-wuxia-mashup-adventure-game/posts/2176530
"I've been completely redesigning FAR WEST, from top to bottom."#Slowclap
Also "A friend of mine died, and I was sad."
Last thing I saw him do before he blocked me on Facebook (I wonder how many of his backers are) was tear into one of his fellow publishers (by telling them nobody knew or cared who they are) because they asked Nicole to clarify they weren't the McFarland who happens to be a rapist. And while I may not update my Kickstarter or respond to messages (which isn't good), I'd neither engage in the kind of emotional manipulation we see in his Kickstarter, nor dismiss legitimate concerns like that.
But sunk cost fallacy or not, there are people who buy his bullshit, and I hope they get what they paid for.
Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1037830But sunk cost fallacy or not, there are people who buy his bullshit, and I hope they get what they paid for.
I bought his bullshit, and I bought your bullshit, and at least I got a collection of short stories out of Gareth's kickstarter. He may have only updated once in the last year, but you haven't updated in the last four years.
Quote from: urbwar;1037475Rich hasn't been attached to this for years. That image Pundit posted was likely one of the ones GMS photo manipulated himself. He started doing that a few years ago, which led to some pointing out he used a few pictures he didn't have the right to use (as someone else owned the rights to them) or something to that effect.
Jesus Christ, the clusterfuck never ends with this thing!
Quote from: RPGPundit;1038140Jesus Christ, the clusterfuck never ends with this thing!
So true. Glad I never trusted GMS with my money again after the ICONS Team Up pre-order failed to deliver (which is a shame, cause it's actually a decent book, and wish it had come out in print)
I saw somewhere (rumor?) that he's now claiming he's switching his whole system? To D6?
Quote from: RPGPundit;1038525I saw somewhere (rumor?) that he's now claiming he's switching his whole system? To D6?
No rumor; it was in an update he made to the KS. I saw that mentioned over on TBP.
Quote from: urbwar;1038542No rumor; it was in an update he made to the KS. I saw that mentioned over on TBP.
Here's the update:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/Adamant/far-west-western-wuxia-mashup-adventure-game/posts/2176530
Assuming it ever gets released, I like the idea of it being D6 a bit better than it being D20.
But aside from chatting about it online when it comes up, it's not something I worry about overly much. $10 invested 6 years ago is noise in my budget - my wife used to spend more on Starbucks each week. (and, ha! now that she's back in the hospital I'm spending more on that. Thank goodness she's got good insurance.)
If a game appears, I might try it out. If it doesn't appear, then it's been something else to talk about on the internet that isn't my wife's health problems. Either way, I seem to have come out ahead.
I had a very similar game concept where America got settled - from the East - by the Chinese and Japanese.
I never bothered developing it because of Far West. I should just fuckin' do it.
It's a bloody shame he oublietted Bas-Lag as a gae setting too.
Quote from: jcfiala;1038568Assuming it ever gets released, I like the idea of it being D6 a bit better than it being D20.
Was it ever D20? Or just a homebrew system that used d20s?
Anyways, this endless clusterfuck is hilarious.
d20-adjacent, maybe. It's been a while since I've looked at the rules doc. There framework was like a very light d20 rule set, with some Fate-type Aspects, and some pretty nice rules on building your own martial arts.
Quote from: Willmark;980563I wonder who the idiot was that ponied up 1k? :D
Probably invested in Star Citizen, too.
Quote from: Almost_Useless;1038947d20-adjacent, maybe. It's been a while since I've looked at the rules doc. There framework was like a very light d20 rule set, with some Fate-type Aspects, and some pretty nice rules on building your own martial arts.
I'd comment on which of the two systems I'd think it's better, but that would be imagining that this thing is ever going to see the light of day.
In a few years he can change the system again and stall for a few more.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1039349I'd comment on which of the two systems I'd think it's better, but that would be imagining that this thing is ever going to see the light of day.
I can't argue with that viewpoint.
Quote from: Omega;1039364In a few years he can change the system again and stall for a few more.
He can adopt a d2 system and continue the progression. :)
Quote from: jcfiala;1039412He can adopt a d2 system and continue the progression. :)
What happens after the d1 edition?
d0? :eek:
He'll claim some kind of personal tragedy again.