Quote from: Dumarest;980276Q: Far West RPG what went wrong?

A: He didn't write the game before seeking funding.

Go on, take the money and run.

Oooooo, lawd!

Quote from: Black Vulmea;980280Go on, take the money and run.

Oooooo, lawd!

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Quote from: Dumarest;980276Q: Far West RPG what went wrong?

A: He didn't write the game before seeking funding.

Yeah, that's a guarantee for delays at the very least.  But even when established creators -have- written the stuff first (e.g. Wick and Wallis above), there can still be problems.

I think the big glowing difference between success and failure consists of:

*)  Are they working with an actual team, or just pretending to do so?  (there are solo publishers out there who can actually deliver, but they're the exception)
*)  Have they published before?
*)  Have they done a Kickstarter before?

"But this pushes the little guy with an idea out of the market!"

Not at all.  It just means the little guy with an idea has to actually make that idea into something first, then bring that something to market (KS), and try to sell it.  All those other little guys with more ideas than work in them ruined it for everyone else with an idea, not the folks who actually deliver a product.  Fortunately (?), failures like Far West have pushed people to come to market with more than a dream or a vision, but an actual product to show off.  Nowadays, KS is used to help generate things like funds for art and layout, or pre-sales (KS is a pre-order store in all but legal name now), or company hype.

Quote from: Ulairi;980275I also backed Aces & Eights to the tune of $500 only to find out that Jolly is a total partisan and I'm expecting it to be very late as well.

Can I ask you to explain this a bit? Is there trouble afoot for it? A buddy of mine backed Aces as his first kickstarter and I hope he has a good experience.

And your earlier comments about "people with no project management skills, business, very poor ability to budget and forecast expenses" is dead on the money. And it is not limited to KS (or our hobby for that matter). Look at how many LGS go belly up for the same reasons. Or the various corpses of gaming companies that litter the history of gaming. Lots of people have had great creative ideas. Running a company is not really a creative exercise.

Quote from: Big Andy;980307Can I ask you to explain this a bit? Is there trouble afoot for it? A buddy of mine backed Aces as his first kickstarter and I hope he has a good experience.

And your earlier comments about "people with no project management skills, business, very poor ability to budget and forecast expenses" is dead on the money. And it is not limited to KS (or our hobby for that matter). Look at how many LGS go belly up for the same reasons. Or the various corpses of gaming companies that litter the history of gaming. Lots of people have had great creative ideas. Running a company is not really a creative exercise.

I'm just cynical with Kenzer and Co getting product done on time and see HoB II. I bet they get it out around Garycon time to GenCon next year. So 3-6 months late.

Quote from: Omega;980236There older threads on the whole debacle. And others. At least three of these allmost-scams.

Older threads here, and if that's not enough schadenfreude for you there's a lot more on Big Purple.

Quote from: Biscuitician;980241I think Kickstarter should just cancel projects like that. Delete the page. This is never going to be fulfilled and at this point I think the backers need to wake up to themselves and not peddle the forlorn hope that they will ever see anything out of this.

Yeah.  I mean, the money for production is gone at this point, right?  Six years later does anyone really think a man who's claimed to have health issues and employment trouble has left $50,000 untouched in a bank account?

Quote from: Black Vulmea;980280Go on, take the money and run.

That's the upshot.  I'm not certain he planned to do so beforehand, if only because he didn't immediately change his name, address and his entire career field.

It's an interesting question, actually.  Do con men all know they're running a con, like a character in a musical planning to leave town with the cash box, or do they just get used to over-promising and making a partner or coworker pick up the slack?  And then one day there's no one to pick up the slack and do the hard work.

I even wonder about an undiagnosed or unacknowledged mental health issue.  I watched a family member go through a psychotic break once, and the way they were talking about getting work done when they were doing weird, random, ineffective things instead was strikingly similar to the way GMS was talking about tracing art to get the art done, and thinking that was actually acceptable, productive and resulting in good art.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;980237So he finally delivered?  Because otherwise, I'd call 'em scams, nothing almost about it.

Id call it a scam too. But I know some of the die-hards here or elsewhere will screech "But hes shown us stuff! Its not a scam!"

Sorry kids but what is it now 10 years of smoke and mirrors while working on other stuff? Yes it is a scam even if he finally delivers because people had to twist his arm to get what they payed for finally.

I don't call it a scam because i don't believe inentioinality has been sufficiently established.

But to post a video saying, for the umpteenth time, "soon..." just beggars belief.

How does he not see what harm he's causing and what is he hiding to cause this stupidity?

I don't think they should delete the page but con artists like Gereth shouldn't ever be allowed to participate on KS again. He's a lying piece of shit. If he just would own up to it and say the product isn't coming and he messed up by being irresponsible and misused the funds and showed actual contrition, I'd be more okay with it. But, instead, he uses the SJ Shield to deflect all criticism.

Quote from: Dave R;980404I even wonder about an undiagnosed or unacknowledged mental health issue.  I watched a family member go through a psychotic break once, and the way they were talking about getting work done when they were doing weird, random, ineffective things instead was strikingly similar to the way GMS was talking about tracing art to get the art done, and thinking that was actually acceptable, productive and resulting in good art.

I can attest to the fact that being even near-psychotic can make you believe and do some absolutely far-fetched and strange shit, no matter what other people tell you. But I don't think that is the case here.

I wonder which will release first, Far West or Mekton Zero?

Of course, the answer is neither.

Quote from: Celestial;980537I wonder which will release first, Far West or Mekton Zero?

Of course, the answer is neither.

Of course, because Buckaroo Banzai will be out first...in 2013! The problem is no one asked and everyone assumed he was using the Gregorian calendar when in fact he is using the Islamic calendar, wherein we are currently only in the year 1438. He's got plenty of time to deliver.

Q: Far West RPG what went wrong?

A: What didn't go wrong?

Quote from: 3rik;980542Q: Far West RPG what went wrong?

A: What didn't go wrong?

He collected $. Mission accomplished?

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;980227https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/Adamant/far-west-western-wuxia-mashup-adventure-game/description

I wonder who the idiot was that ponied up 1k?