Quote from: blackstone on March 19, 2024, 07:03:45 PM
Besides, dungeons are generally filled with things that are EVIL.

Why in the fuck would someone whose EVIL, design a dungeon with wheelchair access? 

Unless they trapped the access ramps with pits filled with acid or spikes, then that's some pretty EVIL shit! 

When this nonsense all started, I had a mental image of a goblin tipping over an adventurer in a wheelchair and laughing at him.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 19, 2024, 07:31:40 PM
When this nonsense all started, I had a mental image of a goblin tipping over an adventurer in a wheelchair and laughing at him.

That image is right and correct.

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on March 19, 2024, 05:54:00 PM
This insanity cropped back up on Twitter a few days ago and the stupidity never got less. What is the point of having magical healing spells in 1E Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (for example) if they're incapable of correcting disability? Way too many morons, who don't know the rules, think it requires the spell Regenerate to heal a PC whose had their back broken, when all it does is either reattach or regrow a severed limb. If you're in a wheelchair cause you got your legs lopped off, okay. But otherwise, every single damn condition can be cured by either a 1st lvl Paladin/5th lvl Cleric/3rd lvl Druid (Cure Disease), 1st lvl Paladin/1st lvl Cleric/2nd lvl Druid (Lay on Hands/Cure Light Wounds), 3rd lvl Druid/5th lvl Cleric (Cure Disease) 3rd lvl Druid/7th lvl Cleric (Neutralize Poison), 5th lvl Cleric/6th lvl Druid/5th lvl Mage/8th lvl Illusionist (Dispel Magic), or a 5th lvl Cleric/7th lvl Mage (Remove Curse).

In AD&D1E, there are specific other spells like "Cure Blindness" (to cure blindness) and "Restoration" (to cure level drain) to cure specific conditions. Are you saying that those spells are useless or redundant?

To the specific question of a severed spinal cord -- it seems to me an open DM's call whether it's equivalent to a severed limb (requiring _Regenerate_), an infectious disease (requiring _Cure Disease_) or simply a wound (requiring _Cure Light Wounds_ or just rest to heal). If an NPC got his spinal cord severed, I think it would be reasonable to say it's equivalent to a severed limb, since it isn't something that can grow back naturally.

In 1E, Cure Disease explicitly says that it only cures most diseases. It's not clear that it could, say, cure cancer or a genetic disease like Down's Syndrome.

Greetings!

I love having ctippled, diseased, and insane characters in the game. In Thandor, the unwashed masses that sweat and cry, and wallow in the filthy city streets, covered in shit, and living in cesspools, are everywhere. Insane Asylums are full of poor, diseased, oppressed people that are routinely plundered and abused in horrific ways, constantly. Being experimented on, being bred, and used by the depraved and greedy elites. I have Leper Colonies where diseased, crippled scum gibber and wallow together in endless misery and hopelessness. This is also where many crippled people stuck in wheelchairs end up, in one of these environments. usually, on the roadside, holding a bucket and begging passing citizens for alms. I keep it harsh, brutal, and real. The world doesn't give a fuck about pathetic, hopeless crippled people.

Of course, families that are wealthier and better off, well, they of course are compassionate, and provide crippled relatives stuck in wheelchairs with a fairly comfortable and normal life. So, yes, for a few, there is some hope of having a relatively pleasant and normal life.

That doesn't mean they are Navy Seals or Marines, or Knights crawling through dungeons. Get real. Any Player insisting on that I would fucking laugh at ruthlessly. Then, probably kick them promptly from the table. *Laughing*

Be harsh, and ruthless with these morons. Don't give them an inch. NO. The answer is NO, and get the fuck out, pussy.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Love wheelchairs? Hate wheelchairs? It's all fiction anyway. Get over it.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 19, 2024, 06:46:58 PM

Characters in wheelchairs. I can kinda sorta understand.



But considering the culture war and wokie ideolgy driving the current push for "differently abled" characters, I'd probably just say "Fuck off" as well. At least I'd consider it a red flag that the player has a disruptive agenda inserted into their role playing.

Its a lack of imagination or thought. Its just fake diversity for fake diversity's sake.

Rare you ever see characters with a disability shown to actually be a disability. Extreme Ghostbusters had Garrett who was also wheelchair bound and
occasionally got knocked out of it and had to either crawl to it and get back in or fight from the ground. And there were places he just could not get to. Still my go-to for doing a handicapped adventurer right.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ghostbusters/images/9/9d/RadioactiveHazardSuitEGB22.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200109045401

I just want to play the modules:

Quote from: Cipher on March 19, 2024, 02:30:26 PM
I have played with people on wheelchairs.

That player never, ever played a character that couldn't walk. Not once.

I understand its not really a sample size, but I've seen the same with other similar cases. People that are fat never play an obese character. People that are shy want to play an outgoing silver tongue type. People that are meek and short want to play a big and strong warrior.

And again, none of those experiences are an accurate sample size. But, on my personal experience, people that have a limitation never play a character with said limitation. That is, the only players that I've seen wanting to play, say, a blind character are not blind themselves.

I have seen a tall, obese player jump at the chance to play an ogre in WFRP and another obese player that played a Hutt in Star Wars. Again, small sample size, but it does happen.

Summing up every forum thread reply ever:

"Well, when you consider that the average height of women in the US is 5'4", it does make sense that..."

"Aktually, my sister is 5'8", and she says..."
"I'm 5'10 woman, and for me..."
"My 5' mom could easily..."

The dumbest "controversy" yet. If people want to have magic wheelchairs in their game let them. So what?

Quote from: Jaeger on March 19, 2024, 10:12:58 PM
I just want to play the modules:

Greetings!

*LAUGHING*!!! Awesome visual, Jaeger!

I roared in laughter at that, and lit up a good cigar in joy. So fucking funny, my friend!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Thor's Nads on March 20, 2024, 02:29:49 AM
The dumbest "controversy" yet. If people want to have magic wheelchairs in their game let them. So what?

That isn't what they want. They don't want something that makes sense, they're demanding "representation" which means modern style wheelchairs and ADA compliant dungeons.

Quote from: blackstone on March 19, 2024, 07:03:45 PM
Besides, dungeons are generally filled with things that are EVIL.

Why in the fuck would someone whose EVIL, design a dungeon with wheelchair access? 

Unless they trapped the access ramps with pits filled with acid or spikes, then that's some pretty EVIL shit! 

My 5E group actually ran through that moronic adventure created for a 'wheelchair accessible dungeon' (Candlekeep Mysteries, IIRC) and it was just as retarded as you would imagine. One of our players, a woke twat who played the exact same grumpy/bitchy character every single time, was friends on Twitter with the writer. The writer, btw, was not wheelchair bound and her 'disability' was self-diagnosed.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 19, 2024, 09:32:48 PM
Love wheelchairs? Hate wheelchairs? It's all fiction anyway. Get over it.

Actually, it's a GAME, and it makes no sense for some of those GAMES. Wheelchair-bound fucking mastermind telepath? Yep. Wheelchair-bound Conan-esque warrior? Dumb as royal fuck. Hell, wheelchair-bound super wizard where regenerative magic exists is even dumber as fuck for obvious reasons.

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on March 20, 2024, 04:37:12 AM

Quote from: blackstone on March 19, 2024, 07:03:45 PM
Besides, dungeons are generally filled with things that are EVIL.

Why in the fuck would someone whose EVIL, design a dungeon with wheelchair access? 

Unless they trapped the access ramps with pits filled with acid or spikes, then that's some pretty EVIL shit! 

My 5E group actually ran through that moronic adventure created for a 'wheelchair accessible dungeon' (Candlekeep Mysteries, IIRC) and it was just as retarded as you would imagine. One of our players, a woke twat who played the exact same grumpy/bitchy character every single time, was friends on Twitter with the writer. The writer, btw, was not wheelchair bound and her 'disability' was self-diagnosed.

Her disability is she's a cunt.  For your online group, go to Fantasy Grounds, it's filled to the brim with wall to wall normies.