that is the preview pdf. the for sale pdf will be one page per and have hyperlinks et al.

He wants $7 for the formatted single page PDF version.
It's quite an impressive bit of work and I like the art as well.

Very nice how it covers different genres. Will probs buy the edited single page version of the rules.

Quote from: Brad;709888Yes, which is exactly why I bought it. It's an OSR game that tries to do something different. Mutant Future, Starships and Spacemen and Dungeon Crawl Classics are three more games that are definitely not just D&D rehashed. But for every DCC we have three Delving Deepers.

OSR games are designed with differing objectives. Some are out to provide as close an approximation to an out of print game as possible ( LL,OSRIC, S&W, DD) and others such as DCC are going for an old school experience with a new and different perspective.

Clones are just that. Originality and innovation is not the goal. I like Delving Deeper for different reasons than DCC. Since WOTC is limiting OD&D to a premium high priced release its nice to see a free to play OD&D clone out there that is accessible to everyone.

So IMHO clones don't compete in the same space as other OSR games.

Quote from: Teazia;710074that is the preview pdf. the for sale pdf will be one page per and have hyperlinks et al.

Oh, I'm quite aware, I just think it's a pretty mercenary way of incentivizing it. Tip of the hat for deviousness.

Quote from: Brad;709388Does anyone else think all these retroclone/OSR games are becoming nothing more than, "Hey, buy my house rules for D&D"?

Ordering a copy anyway...

Yes
That aside from that. It does look interesting. But I need another OSR/retroclone like another hole in my head. But YMMV

Quote from: Ronin;710302Yes
That aside from that. It does look interesting. But I need another OSR/retroclone like another hole in my head. But YMMV

I dunno. Most of the OSR games suffer from the problems of either being retreads, or simply not being all that good (DCC, ACKS, C&C).

This looks like something I'd actually like to play.

Of course, what one person finds good, another person doesn't.

Quote from: Ronin;710302But I need another OSR/retroclone like another hole in my head.

I thought that long ago, when I found Swords & Wizardry.

And then Lamentations came along.
And then Beyond the Wall.
And now Whitehack.

In all the candor, I can see the point of Swords and Wizardry serving as a means of consolidating OD&D's stuff into a much more clear presentation.

On the other hand, I honestly don't think the differences between Moldvay/Cook B/X and Mentzer's BECMI are substantial enough to make Labyrinth Lord or LOTFP or any of the other Basic knock-offs displace my Rules Cyclopedia, I don't need a replacement AD&D because I have the original, and I already have Holmes. There's very little cloning I personally need.

Quote from: Warthur;710465In all the candor, I can see the point of Swords and Wizardry serving as a means of consolidating OD&D's stuff into a much more clear presentation.

On the other hand, I honestly don't think the differences between Moldvay/Cook B/X and Mentzer's BECMI are substantial enough to make Labyrinth Lord or LOTFP or any of the other Basic knock-offs displace my Rules Cyclopedia, I don't need a replacement AD&D because I have the original, and I already have Holmes. There's very little cloning I personally need.

I'm on the opposite camp, I think. I started gaming in 1992 and the only TSR-era rules I own are the 1991 D&D Introductory Set ("black box"), the D&D Rules Cyclopedia and the AD&D 2e core rulebooks.

I gladly picked up S&W Complete, and I just ordered LL plus the AEC because I keep patching S&W Complete with stuff cribbed from LL and the RC.

I've also picked up ACKS because I perceived it as a focused B/X or BEC (of BECMI) hack that does its schtick exceedingly well. And AS&SH because I love the new classes, and the bestiary, and the setting. And C&C because it was my OSR gateway drug and our two-year campaign was a blast.

But then I own Mongoose Runequest 2, Legend, Openquest 2e and two copies of RQ6 (softcover and hardcover) so I might not be the best index for this. I really should give some of this stuff away, BTW.

Quote from: Warthur;710465In all the candor, I can see the point of Swords and Wizardry serving as a means of consolidating OD&D's stuff into a much more clear presentation.

On the other hand, I honestly don't think the differences between Moldvay/Cook B/X and Mentzer's BECMI are substantial enough to make Labyrinth Lord or LOTFP or any of the other Basic knock-offs displace my Rules Cyclopedia, I don't need a replacement AD&D because I have the original, and I already have Holmes. There's very little cloning I personally need.

I would tend to agree that the need is not technically there, but in some cases, a game system adds in a dash of personality and creativity to make it more appealling.

LOTFP has just enough mechanical tweaks, cleverness, and a 'theme' I find appealing.

So even thoughI could use 1E dnd and run a campaign with that theme, its appealing to use LOTFP for that.

A little over a year ago, was it easier to walk out of the FLGS with Swords & Wizardry/Labyrinth Lord or a complete set of 1st edition AD&D books?

Lets see...

400+ pages of OGC material spanning multiple genres

Lots and lots of cool art, most of it newly published

Free pdf

.357 Magnum pointed at your head insisting you use this rule set*

I don't really see the problem here

* I jest, I jest

Quote from: The Butcher;710469I'm on the opposite camp, I think. I started gaming in 1992 and the only TSR-era rules I own are the 1991 D&D Introductory Set ("black box"), the D&D Rules Cyclopedia and the AD&D 2e core rulebooks.

I gladly picked up S&W Complete, and I just ordered LL plus the AEC because I keep patching S&W Complete with stuff cribbed from LL and the RC.

I've also picked up ACKS because I perceived it as a focused B/X or BEC (of BECMI) hack that does its schtick exceedingly well. And AS&SH because

But then I own Mongoose Runequest 2, Legend, Openquest 2e and two copies of RQ6 (softcover and hardcover) so I might not be the best index for this. I really should give some of this stuff away, BTW.

Do you own Arrows of Indra? Because if not, you might be able to buy a signed copy if you were to get down to Montevideo... just saying...

...of course, if you do own a copy, you could always get it signed if you were here.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;711072Do you own Arrows of Indra? Because if not, you might be able to buy a signed copy if you were to get down to Montevideo... just saying...

Looking forward to it!

Quote from: Brad;709388Ordering a copy anyway...

Got the book today. Looks pretty nice...the interior layout is really good; reminiscent of Warhammer RPG.