You still know what I mean.  You work hard to get that attention and respect to be hired to do the game you wanted.

Wow. I am even less impressed with Holden now than before but it does explain some of his attitude.

Did they just announce another new Exalted type? How many are they going to jam into the setting? I guess that's another reason to power them down to glowing pulp fantasy heroes instead of demigods. They are getting kind of thick on the ground at this point.

Edit: I was wrong. Its two more types.


Quote Originally Posted by hatewheel
The Lunar “opposite” type, I don’t want to say yes or no. I’ll answer more questions after the core drops. As others have said though, you might be confused if you think of them as opposites. Also, there are two new types of Exalts for the Lunars, not just one.

Quote from: Nexus;814333Did they just announce another new Exalted type? How many are they going to jam into the setting? I guess that's another reason to power them down to glowing pulp fantasy heroes instead of demigods. They are getting kind of thick on the ground at this point.

Edit: I was wrong. Its two more types.


Quote Originally Posted by hatewheel
The Lunar "opposite" type, I don't want to say yes or no. I'll answer more questions after the core drops. As others have said though, you might be confused if you think of them as opposites. Also, there are two new types of Exalts for the Lunars, not just one.

Considering the playtest document floating around was 950 something pages, without art and formatting....

I honestly wonder if they're going to trim that down any or reduce the number of abilities..

They already introduced Liminals and Exigents, I suppose throwing in yet more Exalted types is par for the course now.

I think Exigents are a cool idea, don't get me wrong, but Liminals is clearly someone throwing their love of Promethean the Created into the ring.

And the Getiman Exalted (tied to Sidereals, I believe) and something do with Niboreans?

And apparently two more as yet unnamed.

Wow...  My suggestion is simple.  Fix the game first.  Secondly just focus on the five exalted types that been around for all of the editions.  Then maybe we can talk about the extras and that is a huge maybe.  These guys are just fucking shit it.

Quote from: Snowman0147;814394Wow...  My suggestion is simple.  Fix the game first.  Secondly just focus on the five exalted types that been around for all of the editions.  Then maybe we can talk about the extras and that is a huge maybe.  These guys are just fucking shit it.

Exactly. I'd be ticked if I was actually planning to use 3E. All of these extra splat books will do nothing but delay the release of the books I'd really want. It surprises me because I thought these guys were supposed to be fans of Exalted. Most fans I know don't want to completely change the settings they supposedly love.

I really love how if the "Ask the Developers" thread contains too much dissent or actual questions or doubt, there's a passive aggressive urging to "get it back on topic"  but they'll let it ramble on for pages about whatever random anime or novel the developers want to talk about.

It is as if they have something to hide.

I've been running a 1st edition game for a couple of months now, and if it had been up to me beforehand (ha) I would have held it to Terrestrials, Exalted, and Abyssal. In fact, that's about what it's going to be if I keep running it because due to the White Wolf Compleationist Splatbook Extravaganza school of game design, you'd need to spend at least 2 full years studying all the available options to get a good grasp on it as a player, much less as a GM who had to explain/wrangle the whole mess into a coherent game.

That said, I do still love the setting, and the players seem to be having fun... but good god, man, do we really need to know the entire history of the Universe?

So, in short, I guess Exalted can be fun if you can handle it, so scale it down to the level you're comfortable with. It helps if the players don't bother reading/learning much about The Whole Shebang, so they don't know what they're missing.

Just watch out for those uper mortals since they can take down a dawn caste all alone.

Uper: means your uber only to the fact that every thing else got down graded.

If that is not a word it should be a word.  Put that word into Webster people.  Just make it happen.

That Liminals, two Lunar foils, the Sidereal foil, and Exigents exist now has been spoiled a while back just so you know.

On deadly fights and comparison to 2nd edition talk- I'm not a mechanics person and even I understood what was being said there. 1st edition Sidereals and Solars had the best stuff for running roughshod over the combat system and winning through sheer power. 2nd edition Solars continued that(and for the potential idiots sucking down their own koolaid in this thread it should be pointed out that the expansion Charms the current development team made didn't help the matter. In fact it made it worse). The same people that did that also admitted a few things in regards to that problem with the base resolution systems and the Charm system.

   It's not hard to see that the comment is in line with the idea that Charms and how they actually interact with the base combat system don't allow you(in their opinion) run roughshod unstoppably over that system as you could in 2nd edition. That, full stop, is a good thing.

 If my choice is wait and see, get the material once I get the pdf, test it and see how it actually works out. OR wildly speculate using bizarre logic choices on how "mortals totally pwn! Dawn Herakles now!" Gee fellas I can only imagine which one I'll pick. Could end up being a shit system. I'll wait and see thanks.

Quote from: MrMephistopheles;814479That Liminals, two Lunar foils, the Sidereal foil, and Exigents exist now has been spoiled a while back just so you know.

On deadly fights and comparison to 2nd edition talk- I'm not a mechanics person and even I understood what was being said there. 1st edition Sidereals and Solars had the best stuff for running roughshod over the combat system and winning through sheer power. 2nd edition Solars continued that(and for the potential idiots sucking down their own koolaid in this thread it should be pointed out that the expansion Charms the current development team made didn't help the matter. In fact it made it worse). The same people that did that also admitted a few things in regards to that problem with the base resolution systems and the Charm system.

   It's not hard to see that the comment is in line with the idea that Charms and how they actually interact with the base combat system don't allow you(in their opinion) run roughshod unstoppably over that system as you could in 2nd edition. That, full stop, is a good thing.

 If my choice is wait and see, get the material once I get the pdf, test it and see how it actually works out. OR wildly speculate using bizarre logic choices on how "mortals totally pwn! Dawn Herakles now!" Gee fellas I can only imagine which one I'll pick. Could end up being a shit system. I'll wait and see thanks.

From what I saw from the Playtest material, the whole idea of humans somehow having a chance against the Exalted is kinda B.S. I think they're saying it more to appease the people who want that more than any truth of the matter..

It seems like as the playtest materials were written, Exalted all get an inherent excellency with every favored ability...

Well since at least one of those is always going to be a Combat skill of some kind...it's really all you need to kill any mortal you come across. The Excellency alone will let you take down any mortal one on one... So I don't get this whole "Mortals are going to kill Exalted!" thing there saying..

Groups of Mortals might be able to, but none of them 1 on 1 will.

Quote from: MrMephistopheles;814479Could end up being a shit system. I'll wait and see thanks.

There's no "could" about it. They made the wrong design choice right at the start, by failing to bin the shitty Storyteller system, which doesn't scale up at all, and starting from scratch. Not "rebuilding from the ground up" (of which there's little evidence so far they've really done anything of the sort), but flushing the crap away and starting all over again with something actually purpose-built for the task. Doesn't matter how much glitter and polish you put on a turd, it's still a turd.

As for waiting and seeing, well, perhaps in 2017 you might get to do that. Or maybe 2018. Or 2025. Or never. Good luck with that.

Quote from: MrMephistopheles;814479That Liminals, two Lunar foils, the Sidereal foil, and Exigents exist now has been spoiled a while back just so you know.

Don't forget Getimanns, or however you spell it. I wasn't aware of the two Lunar "foils" until recently and judging from the reaction in the thread I wasn't alone in that. Information about the game has been incredibly spotty and, prone to change. That's one of things that pissing people off. You just don't get to hear about on rpg.net.

QuoteOn deadly fights and comparison to 2nd edition talk- I'm not a mechanics person and even I understood what was being said there. 1st edition Sidereals and Solars had the best stuff for running roughshod over the combat system and winning through sheer power. 2nd edition Solars continued that(and for the potential idiots sucking down their own koolaid in this thread it should be pointed out that the expansion Charms the current development team made didn't help the matter. In fact it made it worse). The same people that did that also admitted a few things in regards to that problem with the base resolution systems and the Charm system.

I guess this is in your totally unbiased and objective opinion, right?

Idiots sucking down their own "kool aid? Oh the irony. You're black too, Kettle. That thread on rpg.net borders on masturbatory.

QuoteIt's not hard to see that the comment is in line with the idea that Charms and how they actually interact with the base combat system don't allow you(in their opinion) run roughshod unstoppably over that system as you could in 2nd edition. That, full stop, is a good thing.

The problem with 2ed combat wasn't that it made characters "too powerful" but that it didn't work and produced dull, repetitive fights. That Exalts could power through mortals. Exalts -should- win through sheer power. That was kinda the point to being a Demigod. Not being a Conan rip off that glowed from time to time. It is, or was a game about dealing with power and its consequences.

QuoteIf my choice is wait and see, get the material once I get the pdf, test it and see how it actually works out. OR wildly speculate using bizarre logic choices on how "mortals totally pwn! Dawn Herakles now!" Gee fellas I can only imagine which one I'll pick. Could end up being a shit system. I'll wait and see thanks.

Good luck with that. If you've already given them your money, you don't have a choice so I guess remaining optimistic is the most helpful thing to do.

And what bizarre logic is that? Using what has actually been said about how things work in no uncertain terms like mortals are always a threat to Exalts and that the power levels have been toned down to make mortals more dangerous, that a mortal can seriously threaten, even kill an Exalt?
That's not inferred from bizarre logic. That's been said by the guys writing the game. I've heard next to nothing about the game that makes me in anyway positive about what they're producing. If some people like it good for them but I not holding my breath. I haven't been that impressed with the version of the system I have seen. But like I've said before, I'll see what the final version looks like but I don't get the giddy "It'll be AWESOME!" optimism, not for what I want and the evidence and hints so far.