Any thoughts or opinions on the setting changes? I really wasn't that interested in them. Just seemed like piling on more to an already jammed setting. I'm not big on thickly detailed settings to begin with though. I get information overload quickly.

Perversely while expanding the setting it feels like they've reduced the variety somehow, turned the faux Asia up to 11 and pushed anything else to the side. I like Exalted Kung fu/Wuxia elements but they're threatening to drown out everything else (like some felt the anime elements were doing before). And some of the changes seem to have been implemented to appeal to the loudest complainers in the last edition which means the Solars got more crap smeared on them, the DB got a boost, the power level cranked down and the angst level cranked up.

Quote from: Nexus;820481Any thoughts or opinions on the setting changes? I really wasn't that interested in them. Just seemed like piling on more to an already jammed setting. I'm not big on thickly detailed settings to begin with though. I get information overload quickly.

Perversely while expanding the setting it feels like they've reduced the variety somehow, turned the faux Asia up to 11 and pushed anything else to the side. I like Exalted Kung fu/Wuxia elements but they're threatening to drown out everything else (like some felt the anime elements were doing before). And some of the changes seem to have been implemented to appeal to the loudest complainers in the last edition which means the Solars got more crap smeared on them, the DB got a boost, the power level cranked down and the angst level cranked up.

The faux Asian/Wuxia annoys me too.  I was hoping they would push a strong sword and sorcery vibe because Fafard and the Grey Mouser is my shit.  But, no, just more of the same crap from 1e, only with more polish and angst.  Whatever.  The system is more or less functional in this edition, so I'll just cut out the parts I don't like, and if worse comes to worst, I'll drop the system entirely and use Mutants and Masterminds 3e.

Quote from: Warthur;820425Never mind better companies - different creative teams within Onyx Path do way better about finishing Kickstarters off on time, keeping the backers in the loop about what's going on, and maintaining a good attitude all the way through.

Onyx Path isn't doing any thing to fix those issues with the Exalted staff though.  Yeah I know demon went amazing.  Hell the world of darkness books went pretty well.  Though if I was running a company I would want all my books to do well.  I would be right up the Exalted team's ass for the shit they are doing and the lack of performance.  I would demand some answers.

Quote from: Marvelous_Metal_Man;820532I was hoping they would push a strong sword and sorcery vibe because Fafard and the Grey Mouser is my shit.

Not to derail the thread, but do you like Savage Worlds? Pinnacle is coming out with a series of Savage Lankhmar books in the next year or so. You might want to keep an eye out for those. Even if it's not a system you like, SW stuff is usually pretty easy to transfer over to other systems, anyway.

Quote from: Snowman0147;820534Onyx Path isn't doing any thing to fix those issues with the Exalted staff though.  Yeah I know demon went amazing.  Hell the world of darkness books went pretty well.  Though if I was running a company I would want all my books to do well.  I would be right up the Exalted team's ass for the shit they are doing and the lack of performance.  I would demand some answers.

So far as I can tell the hands-off approach is a deliberate policy decision by Richard Thomas - at least publicly, he's said that he'd prefer to give individual teams their creative freedom to run things their way than put out a compromised product as a result of rushing them.

Personally, if I were in his position I'd be just as tempted to tear the Exalted team a new one as you were, but equally I'd be very aware that my time is limited and divided between a swathe of different projects, and time I give to Exalted is time I take away from them - and whilst the Exalted situation is deeply embarrassing, I still need to do what I need to do for the other projects to keep them on track, because if they start to slide it'd be even more embarrassing for the company. It's too late to save Exalted from the stigma of being highly delayed, but at the same time it may be possible to contain the damage so that whatever flawed practices got us to this point don't affect our other lines.

Quote from: Warthur;820653So far as I can tell the hands-off approach is a deliberate policy decision by Richard Thomas - at least publicly, he's said that he'd prefer to give individual teams their creative freedom to run things their way than put out a compromised product as a result of rushing them.

Personally, if I were in his position I'd be just as tempted to tear the Exalted team a new one as you were, but equally I'd be very aware that my time is limited and divided between a swathe of different projects, and time I give to Exalted is time I take away from them - and whilst the Exalted situation is deeply embarrassing, I still need to do what I need to do for the other projects to keep them on track, because if they start to slide it'd be even more embarrassing for the company. It's too late to save Exalted from the stigma of being highly delayed, but at the same time it may be possible to contain the damage so that whatever flawed practices got us to this point don't affect our other lines.

makes sense

Nah, Rich is the same douche as the rest of the Exalted team. Shitty attitude and no sense of what customer-support and customer-care means. None.

As to the setting changes...i have to say i seem to like them. I have to read them more carefully when the pdf hits, but on a first glance on the leak doc, i liked a lot of it. The only thing i have no use for are all the new Exalted types...utterly useless (safe for the Exigents, i think that is going to be cool).

Yeah just keep the original five exalted types and exigents.  Things should be golden so long as they don't do the shittiest thing such as make a bunch of mirror charms for abyssals that requires the solar book to read.  That is fucking bullshit.

Quote from: Anglachel;820685Nah, Rich is the same douche as the rest of the Exalted team. Shitty attitude and no sense of what customer-support and customer-care means. None.

As to the setting changes...i have to say i seem to like them. I have to read them more carefully when the pdf hits, but on a first glance on the leak doc, i liked a lot of it. The only thing i have no use for are all the new Exalted types...utterly useless (safe for the Exigents, i think that is going to be cool).

What did you like in particular?

I am mixed on Exigents. The basic concept of Exalts are "lesser" Gods is pretty sound, but the setting is already so crowded with Exalts figuratively battling for niches that adding a grab bag build your own class seems a little redundant. That and I've never liked Exaltation presented as such mechanistic thing that it can be bought, sold, traded for and stolen (Black Market Exaltations?) even in a very figurative sense.

If I use the Exigent material, I think I will use it Godblooded or similar beings and keep the Exalted as their own class of being and a unique product of the Incarna.

Quote from: Nexus;820703I am mixed on Exigents. The basic concept of Exalts are "lesser" Gods is pretty sound, but the setting is already so crowded with Exalts figuratively battling for niches that adding a grab bag build your own class seems a little redundant. That and I've never liked Exaltation presented as such mechanistic thing that it can be bought, sold, traded for and stolen (Black Market Exaltations?) even in a very figurative sense.

If I use the Exigent material, I think I will use it Godblooded or similar beings and keep the Exalted as their own class of being and a unique product of the Incarna.

I think this is why (besides cluttering things up still further with more unnecessary Exalt-types) Exigents don't sit right with me. Everything about them was already introduced with God-Blooded. Including gods being able to directly invest a mortal with a slice of their power to act on their behalf.

Quote from: Warthur;820425Never mind better companies - different creative teams within Onyx Path do way better about finishing Kickstarters off on time, keeping the backers in the loop about what's going on, and maintaining a good attitude all the way through.

Compare, for instance, the Exalted team's flaps about their leaks to the approach of the Demon: the Descent designers, which was to post the first draft of the book as part of the Kickstarter pitch so people could see whether they considered it at all worth backing to begin with. That free download is still available and they straight-up don't care because they'd rather use rough documents like that as advertisements for the finish product than run around playing whack-a-mole trying to suppress something that's already irreversibly out in the wild.

If it wasn't vague and unaccountable, would it really be Exalted?

JG

Quote from: Kiero;820704I think this is why (besides cluttering things up still further with more unnecessary Exalt-types) Exigents don't sit right with me. Everything about them was already introduced with God-Blooded. Including gods being able to directly invest a mortal with a slice of their power to act on their behalf.

Well, in 2nd at least, Exalted shards were a physical thing, I believe Lytek kept them in his office. But even then, Autobot had to show the bigger gods how to make the bloody things, and I highly doubt those gods would teach others how to, and break their monopoly.

I've read every post on this thread and have been educated on much more concerning Ex3.

Fuck. This. Game. I honestly want to see it fail so badly the fanboys fall on each other like starving piranha on meth, taking the developers down in bloody chunks as well. For me, the insane level of narcissism, social justice and censorship have crossed the line.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;820823I've read every post on this thread and have been educated on much more concerning Ex3.

Fuck. This. Game. I honestly want to see it fail so badly the fanboys fall on each other like starving piranha on meth, taking the developers down in bloody chunks as well. For me, the insane level of narcissism, social justice and censorship have crossed the line.

Welcome to my world.  Though not as bad as the fan base killing itself off.  Still the developers need their pink slip and need it badly.