What a shit!  All the guy did was ask a simple question.  Onyx Path could had just refuse to answer that due to legal issues and be done with it, but no.  They had to ban the person that ask a question.  Gee...  Onyx Path no wonder people hate you.

Quote from: Nexus;819404Wow, Proteus got thread banned from the Exalted Developer's thread for asking about the latest leak. No warning, just an immediate kick. It was revered on appeal but damn, that was kneejerk.

Not quite sure what he would have expected. "Hey writers, can we talk about this leak of your game, that we only have because someone broke their contract with you?" If they allowed any discussion at all, posters would be trying to find "the line", and then inevitably complain "but I was just asking questions " when they got sanctioned for it. If you don't want people to discuss a particular text, better to cut it off before it gets started.

If people don't approve of NDA's in RPG circles... don't work under one. It's pretty pathetic to break your contract just so you can say that you released the Exalted rules to the world; nobody gives a shit, and you won't get to work on any other projects that you might like in future. Anon # 987654321 is not going to go down in history as the next Samuel Shaw or Anat Kamm.

NDA's may reduce some people's pre-release interest in a game, and that's fine, but it's really a decision that the project team get to take, not their playtesters arbitrarily deciding whether to follow their contracts or not.

Quote from: Ladybird;819425Not quite sure what he would have expected. "Hey writers, can we talk about this leak of your game, that we only have because someone broke their contract with you?" If they allowed any discussion at all, posters would be trying to find "the line", and then inevitably complain "but I was just asking questions " when they got sanctioned for it. If you don't want people to discuss a particular text, better to cut it off before it gets started.

*shrug*

I don't think he pushed any great line by asking "What version of the rules was leaked?" Its easy enough to say "We're not talking about it" But the summary thread band was a little much. I could see a warning, sure. Hell apparently the more level (and not employed by OP) mod staff agreed it was over reaction so I don't think I'm totally coming from left field on that one. Apparently it wasn't even worth a warning.

And it fits with ongoing pattern of oddly strict Mod calls when it comes to Exalted and Exalted discussions.

Quote from: Nexus;819427And it fits with ongoing pattern of oddly strict Mod calls when it comes to Exalted and Exalted discussions.

Yeah, it's certainly the most darling of all the purple darlings.

How about you go to the site if you agree with them so much?  The guy ask a simple question and didn't deserve a ban.  If any thing that dev/moderator is in the wrong and a strong case while developers shouldn't be forum moderators.  At least in the threads that is talking about their games.

Quote from: Snowman0147;819432How about you go to the site if you agree with them so much?  The guy ask a simple question and didn't deserve a ban.  If any thing that dev/moderator is in the wrong and a strong case while developers shouldn't be forum moderators.  At least in the threads that is talking about their games.

Isn't all this an example of why most of us aren't there anymore?  

JG

Quote from: James Gillen;819438Isn't all this an example of why most of us aren't there anymore?  

JG

Well she is always seem to be siding with that site any time this shit pops up.  What does that tell you?

lol...so just because not everyone jumps on the hate-rpg-net-bandwagon all the time, you think those users are some kind of rpg.net fanboy or girl (or even a purple spy?!)? Yeah, no. Maybe those users are just a bit more mellow and/or better informed than you

As to the leak - i think OP has a bigger problem. As far as we know, they more or less closed the playtest down after the first leak and went back to in-house playtesting. So it seems there is a leak more or less in-house....or you know the cleaning lady leaked it

Quote from: Anglachel;819463lol...so just because not everyone jumps on the hate-rpg-net-bandwagon all the time, you think those users are some kind of rpg.net fanboy or girl (or even a purple spy?!)? Yeah, no. Maybe those users are just a bit more mellow and/or better informed than you

As to the leak - i think OP has a bigger problem. As far as we know, they more or less closed the playtest down after the first leak and went back to in-house playtesting. So it seems there is a leak more or less in-house....or you know the cleaning lady leaked it

Spy? Seriously?  This is a completely open forum. Not part of this place is hidden, as far as I know.

So having taken a look though 3rd Edition, all I can really say about it is that it's average.  The chafe of 2nd Edition has been thoroughly scourged, the mechanics are functional, and there are a lot of neat new ideas to play around with.  But for all the problems it fixes, 3e is still burdened with chafe from 1st edition, ridiculously complicated, antiquated rules system, and the insufferably pretension Onyx Path/White Wolf is famous for.

John and Holden were not the right people for 3e.  Everything from their unwillingness to learn from fifteen years worth of game development, obnoxious fanboyism, obsessive secrecy, moronic hatred of better game systems, and shitty unprofessional attitude hamstrung the project.  In the right hands, 3e could have been a truly great game.  As it stands, it's merely a mediocre one.  But hey, mediocrity is a huge improvement for this gameline so I guess I shouldn't bitch too much.

Quote from: Marvelous_Metal_Man;819489But hey, mediocrity is a huge improvement for this gameline so I guess I shouldn't bitch too much.

They should put that quote on the back cover.

JG

Quote from: Marvelous_Metal_Man;819489So having taken a look though 3rd Edition, all I can really say about it is that it's average.  The chafe of 2nd Edition has been thoroughly scourged, the mechanics are functional, and there are a lot of neat new ideas to play around with.  But for all the problems it fixes, 3e is still burdened with chafe from 1st edition, ridiculously complicated, antiquated rules system, and the insufferably pretension Onyx Path/White Wolf is famous for.

John and Holden were not the right people for 3e.  Everything from their unwillingness to learn from fifteen years worth of game development, obnoxious fanboyism, obsessive secrecy, moronic hatred of better game systems, and shitty unprofessional attitude hamstrung the project.  In the right hands, 3e could have been a truly great game.  As it stands, it's merely a mediocre one.  But hey, mediocrity is a huge improvement for this gameline so I guess I shouldn't bitch too much.

I wanted to look deeper into the game but, frankly, I can't muster up the energy to dig into that phone book except in small chunks. The background/setting material became tedious pretty quickly either that same stuff or colored with the new developers particular spin which generally isn't my cuppa.

Quote from: Marvelous_Metal_Man;819489John and Holden were not the right people for 3e.  Everything from their unwillingness to learn from fifteen years worth of game development, obnoxious fanboyism, obsessive secrecy, moronic hatred of better game systems, and shitty unprofessional attitude hamstrung the project.  In the right hands, 3e could have been a truly great game.  As it stands, it's merely a mediocre one.  But hey, mediocrity is a huge improvement for this gameline so I guess I shouldn't bitch too much.

Seriously the Ink Monkey team made me literally believe I can pull off a better exalted game than them.  Hell anyone with half a brain can pull it off better than the Ink Monkey team.  

Just make sure they never lay hands on another game ever again.  You would actually be doing a world a favor by doing that.

Quote from: Marvelous_Metal_Man;819489So having taken a look though 3rd Edition, all I can really say about it is that it's average.  The chafe of 2nd Edition has been thoroughly scourged, the mechanics are functional, and there are a lot of neat new ideas to play around with.  But for all the problems it fixes, 3e is still burdened with chafe from 1st edition, ridiculously complicated, antiquated rules system, and the insufferably pretension Onyx Path/White Wolf is famous for.

John and Holden were not the right people for 3e.  Everything from their unwillingness to learn from fifteen years worth of game development, obnoxious fanboyism, obsessive secrecy, moronic hatred of better game systems, and shitty unprofessional attitude hamstrung the project.  In the right hands, 3e could have been a truly great game.  As it stands, it's merely a mediocre one.  But hey, mediocrity is a huge improvement for this gameline so I guess I shouldn't bitch too much.

What did you think of "Sorcerous Workings"?

Quote from: Nexus;819614What did you think of "Sorcerous Workings"?

Arguably one of the best elements of 3e.  It's a functional, evocative system that works really well.  If they had tried something that innovative and new with Charms, I'd have a much higher opinion of 3e.