Quote from: Kiero;733716What the fuck is "SJW"? People keep referring to it as though we should all know what it means.

"Some Just Whine."

My major gripe with them is that they been attacking game developers for years and generally spewing hatred to not only RPG hobby, but all hobbies.  I mean if they were any other troll the game developers would brush them off as crazy, but the problem is they don't.  

Instead developers just bow down and beg forgiveness.  They go out their way to change games that many people were just perfectly fine with in the first place.  What do these game developers get for their trouble and alienation of the majority of their fans?  Just more scorn, suspicion, and just out right insults.  What really tops this is that these people will not buy a game book.  Yet developers will be more than happy to bow down to them which just irks me to no end.

Finally to really add it in the social justice warriors are not needed.  They have no place in the hobby at all.  Right now I am looking at a advertisement for Arrows of Indra.  This is one of the few unique rpg games I seen that actually tries to respect a culture that isn't western.  You get to see unique classes, unique places, and a setting that isn't generic fantasy.  No social justice warrior did that.  No it was written by a guy who call those people swine.

Quote from: Snowman0147;733764Right now I am looking at a advertisement for Arrows of Indra.  This is one of the few unique rpg games I seen that actually tries to respect a culture that isn't western.  You get to see unique classes, unique places, and a setting that isn't generic fantasy.  No social justice warrior did that.  No it was written by a guy who call those people swine.

And if I remember, the SJWs complained about Arrows too. Can't win.

Quote from: BarefootGaijin;733768And if I remember, the SJWs complained about Arrows too. Can't win.

It's what they do.

Quote from: BarefootGaijin;733768And if I remember, the SJWs complained about Arrows too. Can't win.

While there were a few online complaints that came to my attention, none of them seemed to resonate with people. I haven't received a single email complaint about the product at all.

Quote from: Snowman0147;733764Finally to really add it in the social justice warriors are not needed.  They have no place in the hobby at all.  Right now I am looking at a advertisement for Arrows of Indra.  This is one of the few unique rpg games I seen that actually tries to respect a culture that isn't western.  You get to see unique classes, unique places, and a setting that isn't generic fantasy.  No social justice warrior did that.  No it was written by a guy who call those people swine.

An interesting detail that may be relevant here; the siddhi(mage) on the cover of the book is transgendered (because the setting has a third gender) and including the character on the cover art was Pundit's idea.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;733769It's what they do.

Yep, that's what happens when a movement is fueled by outrage. It can never be appeased because appeasement is death for it. So if you do what it wants you won't do it enough. If you do it more then you won't do it right. If you do that, then something else will come up or the sensitivity level will upped a few notches and the cycle will start all over again.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;733791While there were a few online complaints that came to my attention, none of them seemed to resonate with people. I haven't received a single email complaint about the product at all.

I think that's more because Pundit just isn't as much of a high profile figure as he thinks he is. Since I haven't actually read Arrows of Indra it's not really my place to make judgements, but Dalits are a real group of people who to this day still subject to discrimination. I can see giving them stat modifiers in a RPG potentially being super offensive.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;733791While there were a few online complaints that came to my attention, none of them seemed to resonate with people. I haven't received a single email complaint about the product at all.

What were they complaining about is what has me curious, mainly due to the fact that I no jack about the game.

Quote from: gamerGoyf;733798I think that's more because Pundit just isn't as much of a high profile figure as he thinks he is. Since I haven't actually read Arrows of Indra it's not really my place to make judgements, but Dalits are a real group of people who to this day still subject to discrimination. I can see giving them stat modifiers in a RPG potentially being super offensive.

I will let Pundit address the specifics here, but what I can say is we sold a lot of copies of Indra, enough that I would have expected to hear from people who are offended by content. I can also say, when I reviewed the material Pundit sent in, and when I playtested it, I felt he handled things appropriately given the setting and the time period. I also think, based on my communications with him during development, that he was trying to handle the material sensitively. If you have trouble with the content, that is fine. Not everyone will read things the same. But don't see any issues myself and haven't had any negative feedback on that front.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;733799What were they complaining about is what has me curious, mainly due to the fact that I no jack about the game.

Very few of them did. Most focused on the old school mechanics rather than social issues. The few who did get into social issues mentioned things like Pundit not challenging the assumptions of the setting, and Gamergoyf's concern. Things like that.

Quote from: Snowman0147;733663My point still stands.  They are toning down every thing and not just the power level.  Why do you assume we don't know what we are talking about?

I don't think they're toning down anything.  Frankly, in its own way, I think the setting is getting darker and more problematic, but that's more from the writers trying to add depth to the background.  Like, barbarians and the Lunar Exalted.  Or the Realm, and the West, and...  

My outside view of the issues experienced by the current LDs is that when it comes to players options, they're treading carefully just because of things which were received very poorly in the past, like in late 2e, and specifically, say, the Infernals book.  I hesitate to say more because a) I don't know what I'm cleared to talk about or what's been talked about already, because I don't keep up with the online talk, and b) I don't follow Exalted fandom since the 1e days/early, early 2e days.  But as far as general setting changes to 3e, I know that I would call it far more nuanced, and thus more complicated, than earlier editions.  At least that's the intention -- stuff always changes between when you talk about it and write it down and when it gets through development and to the customer.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;733802I will let Pundit address the specifics here, but what I can say is we sold a lot of copies of Indra, enough that I would have expected to hear from people who are offended by content.

I couldn't find anything about SJW and Indra.  When I searched for exalted 3, it was very, very easy to find.

The only place I could even find someone bringing up the untouchable issue was this thread.

Pundit did display some excellent rhetorical skills with this blog post though:

http://therpgpundit.blogspot.ca/2013/10/cultural-diversity-in-rpgs.html

Quote from: gamerGoyf;733798I think that's more because Pundit just isn't as much of a high profile figure as he thinks he is. Since I haven't actually read Arrows of Indra it's not really my place to make judgements, but Dalits are a real group of people who to this day still subject to discrimination. I can see giving them stat modifiers in a RPG potentially being super offensive.

The dalits, for those who don't know what they are, are one of the castes; the lowest. They suffered terrible discrimination and (in spite of claims to the contrary) continue to be seriously discriminated against in modern India despite caste not being recognized by Indian law anymore.

I agree, its SUPER SUPER OFFENSIVE that people are discriminated on the basis of caste in the real world.  So I refused to contribute to that offense by trying to do the job of whitewashing for those bigots and pretend that Indian society didn't have an oppressive caste system.  

I guess you'd rather I had whitewashed it? Written a game about Epic fantasy India where there WASN'T a caste system?
Do you think that the Pseudo-activist SJWs wouldn't have then attacked me for "hiding the truth about dalit oppression" and saying "The pundit never once mentions dalits in his game!! How dare he! Discriminating against those people by trying to revise history and silence their voice"?

So to summarize: go fuck yourself, Swine.

Quote from: NathanIW;733838I couldn't find anything about SJW and Indra.  When I searched for exalted 3, it was very, very easy to find.

The only place I could even find someone bringing up the untouchable issue was this thread.

Pundit did display some excellent rhetorical skills with this blog post though:

http://therpgpundit.blogspot.ca/2013/10/cultural-diversity-in-rpgs.html

Thanks!