Quote from: Anglachel;810371I am always flabbergasted by comments along the line of "this is how the Exalted fanbase wants it". I mean yeah, some of the fanbase want it that way. But all? No, definitely not! I am not even convinced that the majority of the fanbase wants it that way (considering how many online-discussions there are about "how can i do Exalted right?" i am more inclined to believe the opposite). But the Devs make it sound as if that's the case. And as there is no hard data on it, nobody can really gainsay them.

The reason they are not interested in really changing Exalted, imo, is more along the lines of: a) they're just too lazy to get off their collective asses and do some real work in the design compartment b) it's possible that they, the dev team, really like the way Exalted works, mechanics wise. I mean tastes differ, right?! So it is possible that there are some gamers that like to have clumsy, overwrought and break-tastic game-mechanics... :eek:

Yeah, the Exalted fanbase has always been extremely diverse and factional. Any claims to be speaking for the entirety of it are overblown at best.

There's definitely a significant group that is really attached to the chunky exception based design and phone book of rules exception charms style. But not integral to the definition as Exalted. Storyteller mechanics definitely aren't and, IMO, are a liability to the kind of the game.

I've seen some say they like te 2ed mechanics so there's no accounting to taste.

I admit the main reason I'm looking at 3rd at this point is to see if its workable and something I can hammer into what I want to play with less work than converting the whole burrito over into a different system. But the Magic 8 Ball is saying "Chance unlikely".

Isn't it much easier? Isn't the problem with Exalted a typical WW problem, namely they aren't very practical?

Nexus, are you sure it's a significant group? I'm not convinced. Sure, the Devs want to make us blieve that. I think it's just a very VERY vocal part on rpg.net that thinks it's THE way to do Exalted (TM).
I mean i can imagine there being some who want a exception based system. With a shopping list of individual powers. But even in that case, Exalted so far was always a bad execution of that design-theme. So why wouldn't they want a new way of looking at this?

The thread was red-texted...and as usual, it was one of the "other side" that got a thread ban. As if the pro-Ex posters where in any way more civil in their expression of their opinion.
It's funny how the Ex fans always complain how the "other side" is mean to them and offensive while employing the exact same rhetoric. But if you dare to point that out you can almost be sure that some Mod will give you a thread-ban (at the least). Oh boy.

Quote from: Anglachel;810404Nexus, are you sure it's a significant group? I'm not convinced. Sure, the Devs want to make us blieve that. I think it's just a very VERY vocal part on rpg.net that thinks it's THE way to do Exalted (TM).
I mean i can imagine there being some who want a exception based system. With a shopping list of individual powers. But even in that case, Exalted so far was always a bad execution of that design-theme. So why wouldn't they want a new way of looking at this?

I don't have any hard numbers and don't want to make similar claims to the people I'm tsk-tsking. But when I and others have brought up the subject of
using variant or lighter systems just judging from the volume of response it sure seems like there's an ample number of people with that opinion. Also I think at this point most ofo the people that wanted variant rules have jumped ship or lost interest in the game all together so its likely that the vocal fanbase is likely the most hardcore fans and dedicated to the original system and design concepts.

QuoteThe thread was red-texted...and as usual, it was one of the "other side" that got a thread ban. As if the pro-Ex posters where in any way more civil in their expression of their opinion.
It's funny how the Ex fans always complain how the "other side" is mean to them and offensive while employing the exact same rhetoric. But if you dare to point that out you can almost be sure that some Mod will give you a thread-ban (at the least). Oh boy.

Sometimes it seems like most of the mod staff is working on, had worked or is a rabid fan of Exalted.So it definitely gets some preferential treatment.

Quote from: Nexus;810436Sometimes it seems like most of the mod staff is working on, had worked or is a rabid fan of Exalted.So it definitely gets some preferential treatment.

Exception based moderation in action.

Some of the recent topics in the Exalted questions thread have really reminded me of some of the reasons I disliked Sidereals so much. That book (along with Fair Folk) felt it heralded the take over of "Weird for the sake of being strange" dominance of Exalted material which eventually lead to things like cows using Kung Fu, a character type that were basically refugees from Toontown and the sun as a huge mechanical monorail running over Creation.

You know I am making a game system that may actually work better than Exalted 3.0 without being complex.  Here is a link to my game system in my blog.  Just saying I can easily do a Exalted hack and give it the proper scale for each exalted type.  

I will also state this.  No mortal should prove to be a combat challenge to a Exalted.  Even a essence empty exalted should be considered a deadly threat to a group of mortals.  The only way a mortal should defeat a Exalted is through numbers, cunning, and with one hell of a plan.

Quote from: Nexus;810331That thread quickly became a contest to see who can out pompous blowhard each other.

I'm really shocked by how damn arrogant they are. I loved the line of where Stephen says Exalted 3 wont be able to be broken. 4e was breakable and a ton mechanically tighter than Exalted 3 will ever dream of being. M&M3 is breakable if you put the time and effort into it.

The best games that exist can be broken if you have the desire and drive to do so. I cant imagine Exalted 3 will be any different.

To be clear I'm not saying either of those are the "best games" just examples of mechanically tight games.

Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;810854I'm really shocked by how damn arrogant they are. I loved the line of where Stephen says Exalted 3 wont be able to be broken. 4e was breakable and a ton mechanically tighter than Exalted 3 will ever dream of being. M&M3 is breakable if you put the time and effort into it.

The best games that exist can be broken if you have the desire and drive to do so. I cant imagine Exalted 3 will be any different.

To be clear I'm not saying either of those are the "best games" just examples of mechanically tight games.

That was OTT and I don't think they're doing themselves any favors setting up unrealistic expectations like that. Especially not with a customer based that's been burned before.

Quote from: Nexus;811164That was OTT and I don't think they're doing themselves any favors setting up unrealistic expectations like that. Especially not with a customer based that's been burned before.

Yeah, I don't suspect the reception of the game will look anything like what they expect.

The Exalted community particularly on rpg.net tends to be harsh at the best of times. If you give them inflated and unreasonable hopes its going to be even worse. Then again the extra year in development wont help any.

On the other hand, i have never seen more rabid "we will excuse anything" Exalted fans like on RPG.net. So...it will be interesting to see what will happen when the game finally hits e-stores (the pdf will see the light of day long before we see a print version).

As to the arrogance of some of the devs...amen. I don't know where their inflated self-perception stems from. Oh well.

That's going to be one massive tome.

I don't see how they can make a claim that the game can't be broken. Eventually there are going to be thousands of individual rules packets and exceptions to play against each other. There's going to be a wonky synergy or something somewhere. Between number and setting and concept drift and possible changes in the team over time its pretty much inevitable.

Quote from: Nexus;811195That's going to be one massive tome.

I don't see how they can make a claim that the game can't be broken. Eventually there are going to be thousands of individual rules packets and exceptions to play against each other. There's going to be a wonky synergy or something somewhere. Between number and setting and concept drift and possible changes in the team over time its pretty much inevitable.

There's what, 825 Charms? I think the Devs said there were 33 per Ability?  So that plus Evocations, spells, martial arts bs.

Yeah, this sucker is going to be huge, and I really doubt that they've compared every charm against it's fellows.  It would take longer than they have taken, considering you'd have to do so after every tweak and rework,

As soon as you have two abilities, one will be dominant. Add a third, and you'll get a gamebreaking combo.

Again, if WotC can't stop Magic being broken - and they have the most time, money, knowledge and resources in the hobby games industry - then a bunch of hacks have no hope.

Hell, one of the playtesters mentioned to me that their group already found some thing busted and reported on it but never heard back about it. It might be fixed by final release but I highly doubt that's the only thing or the only that will be introduced.

My combat play test hasn't run into anything that seems wonky. There's been allot  of analysis paralysis slowing things down but no major system crashes, assuming we're doing everything right.