Quote from: James Gillen;807469These guys would think that Blue Rose isn't politically correct enough.

JG

Jesus Norris Christ.

Also, agreed...

Quote from: The Ent;808715Jesus Norris Christ.

Also, agreed...

That's the thing. You can't win. Pandering just leads down a rabbit hole of endless accusations and increasingly fringe demands.

Quote from: Nexus;808718That's the thing. You can't win. Pandering just leads down a rabbit hole of endless accusations and increasingly fringe demands.

I find that statement not only offensive but reprehensible on several levels. :rant:

...as in, agreed.

Live by the pander, die by the pander. Half of the Exalted dev team present on TBP were busy banning everyone with an opinion different than the one that hangs their precious game now by it's sore, blue from abuse, balls. I feel no pity for them.

Quote from: Rincewind1;808729Live by the pander, die by the pander. Half of the Exalted dev team present on TBP were busy banning everyone with an opinion different than the one that hangs their precious game now by it's sore, blue from abuse, balls. I feel no pity for them.

Absolutely. Hell of their own making.

What gets me about the re-conception for 3rd edition is how much the high power level and importance of the characters was pushed by both the authors and the fans for 1 and a half editions but now they're acting like that was never intent and, usually passively aggressively, looking down on anyone that wants it.

That and, frankly you can do regional level politics in Asian influenced classical period setting in any of a number of rules sets, fantasy or generic.  and D included. The gonzo, high powered flash was one of the few things that set Exalted apart and made it worth putting up with the cumbersome Storyteller mechanics.

Quote from: Nexus;808757What gets me about the re-conception for 3rd edition is how much the high power level and importance of the characters was pushed by both the authors and the fans for 1 and a half editions but now they're acting like that was never intent and, usually passively aggressively, looking down on anyone that wants it.

That and, frankly you can do regional level politics in Asian influenced classical period setting in any of a number of rules sets, fantasy or generic.  and D included. The gonzo, high powered flash was one of the few things that set Exalted apart and made it worth putting up with the cumbersome Storyteller mechanics.

That high powered flash only worked so long as nothing important noticed you and the decided it didn't like you.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;808765That high powered flash only worked so long as nothing important noticed you and the decided it didn't like you.

That's another issue with the game: the bait and switch. Its a promise that drew many of the fans in but was never kept. Your character is a "big deal" that only exists because the real powers in the setting don't think they're important enough to squash just yet. But then that sort of thing isn't new to White Wolf or its legacy games. See Aberrant for another example.

Quote from: Nexus;808776That's another issue with the game: the bait and switch. Its a promise that drew many of the fans in but was never kept. Your character is a "big deal" that only exists because the real powers in the setting don't think they're important enough to squash just yet. But then that sort of thing isn't new to White Wolf or its legacy games. See Aberrant for another example.

Or anything from the oWoD really, since in Vampire there was Cain just waiting, bidding his time to suck everyone inside, for example.

Quote from: Rincewind1;808777Or anything from the oWoD really, since in Vampire there was Cain just waiting, bidding his time to suck everyone inside, for example.

And in Werewolf all your awesome was meaningless in the face of the overwhelming odds and the depressingly inescapable doom that pervaded everything.

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;808778And in Werewolf all your awesome was meaningless in the face of the overwhelming odds and the depressingly inescapable doom that pervaded everything.

Which is something that is being dialed up in 3rd edition Exalted with a more vigorous Realm and more powerful Wyld Hunt along with narrowing the power difference between the various types of Exalted and lowering the ceiling as a whole.

Quote from: Nexus;808779Which is something that is being dialed up in 3rd edition Exalted with a more vigorous Realm and more powerful Wyld Hunt along with narrowing the power difference between the various types of Exalted and lowering the ceiling as a whole.

Right, because the Wyld Hunt wasn't enough of a pain in the ass.  Against starting Solars, even some with some xp under their belt, even a rookie Hunt with a few units of mortals will wteck their shit.

And beefing up the Realm and the Hunt just means you should just make a diagram of a circle within a circle within a circle. The inner circle is the Realm, rhe middle circle is the territory they influence/control, and the outer circle, is were you as a Solar get to play.

And when you get to big? The outer circle gets zerged by the middle and inner circles and kill you, because they have more Terrestrials, crack troops, and more tech than you.

They don't need to be better.

Quote from: Nexus;808779Which is something that is being dialed up in 3rd edition Exalted with a more vigorous Realm and more powerful Wyld Hunt along with narrowing the power difference between the various types of Exalted and lowering the ceiling as a whole.

I thought the Wyld Hunt was more powerful because now only the religious fanatics are willing to volunteer, causing the Wyld Hunt to show up less in the Threshold? That is how I took those comments by the devs anyways.

I personally don't mind the mind the Exalted losing some power, since I always preferred the game more Sword & Sorcery(Elric, Conan, Lankhmar) crossed with anime(magitech, warstriders, hair colors from the entire rainbow spectrum).

How this will play out in 3E, I do not know. With Creation now being bigger, I hope that there will be spots beyond the Realm's control that Solars can be Solars without having the worry of being ganked by the fate ninja hit squad in their sleep. One of the things that irked me about 2E(which I still like) was that the nations I found interesting, who were not under the control of the Realm, would still be anti-exalted. Coral comes to mind in the West, and Linowan(who admittedly were allied with the Realm) in the East is another example.

Quote from: Starglyte;808805I thought the Wyld Hunt was more powerful because now only the religious fanatics are willing to volunteer, causing the Wyld Hunt to show up less in the Threshold? That is how I took those comments by the devs anyways.

According to what I've heard and understand the Realm will be more active and vital with a potent presence throughout most of the world, more so than in early editions with a Wyld Hunt that will be something to be feared at any level of play. Basically if it shows: RUN AWAY.

Its only "weakening since the Empress vanished and the Solars returned is a loss of some personnel and funding so it can't effectively squash all the new Solars popping up now. It will take some time to play Whack-a-mole with them but it can and will squash you if make too much trouble.

QuoteI personally don't mind the mind the Exalted losing some power, since I always preferred the game more Sword & Sorcery(Elric, Conan, Lankhmar) crossed with anime(magitech, warstriders, hair colors from the entire rainbow spectrum).

I've go no problem with that level of play. My thing is I can (and have) done that in other games, several other games. I was drawn to Exallted for the promise of something different. Not just the same types of adventurers except they glow from time to time playing the WoD with a Fantasy paint job.

Fair enough. Hopefully the setting chapter of the corebook will shed more light on what setting changes occurred regarding the presence of the Realm and their Wyld Hunt.

To be honest though, I am more interested in seeing the new Exalted types that haven't been spoiled yet along with the new setting info on the Sea of Dreams and the West direction. Hopefully, by the end of this year we will have the book in our hands(and/or electronic devices)