Quote from: James Gillen;790638More like, the fact that the Guild are a commercial entity is WHY they're evil slavers.

Which is bat shit crazy.  Capitalism does not equal evil.  Are their some companies that would do that shit?  Oh hell yes, but you don't call a entire economy system evil just because evil assholes use that.  Evil assholes will use any thing to do evil shit.  Look what happen to communism.  Looks all good on paper, but evil assholes fuck that system up to no end.

The Guild isn't evil because they are capitalists.  They are evil because of their actions.  Other wise you might as well call anyone that sells food evil as well because they are doing capitalism.  Sorry I just cannot look at a farmer who never uses slaves and a slave merchant as two evil beings.  One is being a honest merchant of food and the other is a evil asshole.

A farmer with no slaves in the Age of Sorrows is probably only producing food at subsistence level.

Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;732805So I'm new.

But what the hell is up with Exalted 3? Its been 6 months since they even had a development schedule up. It's apparently ok to just blow your deadline and then say "yeah we aren't even bothering with deadlines anymore." What the Fuck?!

I mean if your contractor did that you would flip the fuck out.

Even worse is that rpg.net has several of the writers as moderators. So I really dont think asking anything over there will go well. I've tried to contact people through kickstarter messenger and all Rob said was essentially "making RPG's is hard!"

I know making RPG's isn't easy but fuck! Works of philosophy, history, and hard science have been written in less time than you claim to have been working on this fucking thing.

God, it feels good to get that out.

New to the hobby?


Still waiting for Changeling: Book of Glamour, myself.

Quote from: TristramEvans;791338New to the hobby?


Still waiting for Changeling: Book of Glamour, myself.

Nope, I've been around awhile. I'm still pretty new here.

By the way its been over year since they had a schedule up and still show no signs of actually having one.

According to the latest update the its all out for editing now, which raises the question of why cant you give a schedule if its all out for editing? I don't know. But hopefully our glorious developers will be kind enough to grace us with the thing we payed for sometime soon.

Honestly, I'm expecting it first quarter of next year.

Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;791573Honestly, I'm expecting it first quarter of next year.

There is also art still to be done, but that doesn't sound like a bad estimate.  I think that even if it went to the printers now it wouldn't be here for Christmas.

Quote from: Manic Modron;791628There is also art still to be done, but that doesn't sound like a bad estimate.  I think that even if it went to the printers now it wouldn't be here for Christmas.

I generally agree. I think the pdf will be out in the first quarter and the printed books should be delivered by the end of the second. That's my guess at this stage. Assuming they truly are done writing the thing.

Sweet Zombie Jesus, the Exalted fanbase is utterly run by the Outrage brigade, The kickstarter art reveal turned almost immediately in an sexism/feminism debate with gems like "having breasts doesn't determine gender".

I wonder if the guy that made the comment about getting the Empress a Thighmaster will catch a warning or even a ban.

Well of course, haven't you been keeping up? "Gender" is a heteronormative patriarchal meme invented to maintain control of the oppressed. "Gender" is whatever an individual says it is, it is fluid, and can not only change on a dime but exist in multiple planes at the same time.  

That said, link that thing so I can take a look. Gamergate barely got my heart rate up, I need more outrage.

It started in the Exalted-Ask the Developers thread at post 2513

Quote from: Werekoala;792282"Gender" is whatever an individual says it is, it is fluid, and can not only change on a dime but exist in multiple planes at the same time.  

You mean the fancy quantum-gender, right?!

And as to the art...looking at the picture with the Empress i say it's debatable if that person kneeling really is a woman. I don't think that grey bulge is a breast as it seems the clothes are not all grey, that black is part of the figure if you ask me. Otherwise the artist should take another lesson in anatomy and perspective.
Anyway, as always with such things...much ado about nothing.

Quote from: James Gillen;790638More like, the fact that the Guild are a commercial entity is WHY they're evil slavers.

I don't know if Grabowski is the guy who came up with that Page 10 blurb in 1st Edition saying "Do not believe what the scientists tell you" but I sure wouldn't be surprised.

JG

"Don't believe what the scientists tell you" is basically just a reference to the fact that Exalted, being (at the time) the prehistory of the WoD, does not map to what scientific recorded history would have you believe.  It was meant to be something akin to the Howardian "In the days before Atlantis sank..." It's not meant to be a real admonition that science is bunk or a reflection on Grabowski's personal beliefs.

As for capitalism and Exalted, remember that Exalted is a game where a network of financial transactions and economic efforts are literally what keep the gibbering hordes from beyond reality at bay.  It's not an anti-capitalist game, and the fact that the Guild are slavers has more to do with the economic reality of the setting than the fact that "the Guild is bad" or "slavery is a way to taint somebody in-setting so we're making the Guild slavers."

OTOH, across the whole length of the game line's history, some writers and editors have been better than others about getting things right or catching them when they're wrong.  But I'll say that this edition's editors are at least willing to consult others about things like welfare systems and slave economies in the real world and how they'd work in Exalted, and how that affects price lists and the like.

Quote from: Future Villain Band;792366As for capitalism and Exalted, remember that Exalted is a game where a network of financial transactions and economic efforts are literally what keep the gibbering hordes from beyond reality at bay.  It's not an anti-capitalist game, and the fact that the Guild are slavers has more to do with the economic reality of the setting than the fact that "the Guild is bad" or "slavery is a way to taint somebody in-setting so we're making the Guild slavers."

Hence one of the other ironies of Exalted being "taken over by the Outrage Brigade": One of the recurring premises of Fantasy is that most societies are not run as inclusive parliamentary democracies with any sensitivity to gender or ethnic minorities.  The exceptions would be mainly the kind of literature that inspired the Blue Rose RPG.

JG

Quote from: James Gillen;792492Hence one of the other ironies of Exalted being "taken over by the Outrage Brigade": One of the recurring premises of Fantasy is that most societies are not run as inclusive parliamentary democracies with any sensitivity to gender or ethnic minorities.  The exceptions would be mainly the kind of literature that inspired the Blue Rose RPG.

JG

This. So This. A world of savage (but politically correct, gender sensitive adventure). just doesn't have the same snap.

Quote from: Anglachel;792354You mean the fancy quantum-gender, right?!

And as to the art...looking at the picture with the Empress i say it's debatable if that person kneeling really is a woman. I don't think that grey bulge is a breast as it seems the clothes are not all grey, that black is part of the figure if you ask me. Otherwise the artist should take another lesson in anatomy and perspective.
Anyway, as always with such things...much ado about nothing.

Like pretty much everything else you see from the bunch its about scoring SJ points and proving one's purity and dedication to the cause. That whole thing started because one guy said he thought part of the Empress picture made her look overweight and he made a joke about it. Then the Outrage Brigade started to earn it reputation. All the classics showed in short order: the Holier than thou condemnation, the far to shocked to be real outrage followed the dog pile and refusal to accept any accord except groveling submission to "right" opinion. I wonder if Icarr will catch some kind of Mod action.

I admit I do want to see the "problematic" image.

Quote from: Nexus;792500This. So This. A world of savage (but politically correct, gender sensitive adventure). just doesn't have the same snap.



Like pretty much everything else you see from the bunch its about scoring SJ points and proving one's purity and dedication to the cause. That whole thing started because one guy said he thought part of the Empress picture made her look overweight and he made a joke about it. Then the Outrage Brigade started to earn it reputation. All the classics showed in short order: the Holier than thou condemnation, the far to shocked to be real outrage followed the dog pile and refusal to accept any accord except groveling submission to "right" opinion. I wonder if Icarr will catch some kind of Mod action.

I admit I do want to see the "problematic" image.

Wasn't it posted on the updates for kickstarter? If its the one I was think it was, its the Empress knighting someone from the throne.

Quote from: Nexus;792500Like pretty much everything else you see from the bunch its about scoring SJ points and proving one's purity and dedication to the cause. That whole thing started because one guy said he thought part of the Empress picture made her look overweight and he made a joke about it. Then the Outrage Brigade started to earn it reputation. All the classics showed in short order: the Holier than thou condemnation, the far to shocked to be real outrage followed the dog pile and refusal to accept any accord except groveling submission to "right" opinion. I wonder if Icarr will catch some kind of Mod action.

I admit I do want to see the "problematic" image.

Type 2 diabetes is no joke. Diabetes with Exalted disease rules is even worse.

JG