Quote from: James Gillen;788194As has been pointed out, being vague, arrogant and pompous is pretty much old-school White Wolf style.

JG

I think I might sig this.

Ignoring RPGnet and its opinions on Exalted is one guaranteed way to improve your experiences with the RPG IME. There are so many so called problems that actually don't need fixing (at least in the manner that it is thought to be fixed) that have been entrenched in the fan base's hive mind.

Actually at its base the Exalted 2nd edition is pretty solid.  Notice I said at its BASE.  This is before the charms, combos, magic, martial arts, and all those special rules got involve.  A clever team of developers can actually cut off the fat, put in scale, and just put in a tiny bit of powers that still gives off that Exalted feel.  Then again we are not dealing with a clever team of developers which brings up the real problem.

Quote from: Snowman0147;788226Actually at its base the Exalted 2nd edition is pretty solid.  Notice I said at its BASE.  This is before the charms, combos, magic, martial arts, and all those special rules got involve.  A clever team of developers can actually cut off the fat, put in scale, and just put in a tiny bit of powers that still gives off that Exalted feel.  Then again we are not dealing with a clever team of developers which brings up the real problem.

Exalted 2e isn't as bad as many claim. But as you say the good tends to be buried in layers of shite.

I would say that Exalted 1e is actually even more solid and simpler to boot. I have found that its easier to build 1e up to something that plays well than build 2e down to something that plays well. It needed a few patch ups and it would have been just fine. These could have been done in about 2 pages - excellencies for all abilities, static defences, cyclical initiative, and integrating WP with social charms.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;788145I'm telling you people, stock up on camp fire snacks now. The flames are going be epic and entertaining when this drops.

I was talking with a friend this morning, and something occurred to me. Far West is horribly late, but at least we know the design intent. We have a basis for how the system works, short stories that fill out the setting, art and commentary that tells you 'this is my game, this is what to expect'.

Exalted? Promises the moon. It's going to play smooth, it's going to be epic, you're going to love everything we've done. We promise. And it's been lapped up with a side of, you can trust us, we care about your issues.

God, I can't wait for the the fallout.

I have little doubt this will be the case. There's already been little embers of the ensuing firestorm in any question threads that pop up. Mostly quickly extinguished ( I suspect in part due to how Mods there are also working Exalted) but its going to be pretty big when it hits unless the game is damn near perfect.

Quote from: Snowman0147;788226Actually at its base the Exalted 2nd edition is pretty solid.  Notice I said at its BASE.  This is before the charms, combos, magic, martial arts, and all those special rules got involve.  A clever team of developers can actually cut off the fat, put in scale, and just put in a tiny bit of powers that still gives off that Exalted feel.  

They did that.  It was called Adventure!

JG

Quote from: James Gillen;788298They did that.  It was called Adventure!

JG

Quote from: James Gillen;788194As has been pointed out, being vague, arrogant and pompous is pretty much old-school White Wolf style.

JG

And lets not forget getting sulky and huffy when someone doesn't immediately grasp their genius.

Quote from: Nexus;788332And lets not forget getting sulky and huffy when someone doesn't immediately grasp their genius.

Indeed.  :yes:

jg

Is it just me or does about 90 or so percent of Exalted fans and all of the staff seem to share the SJW platform? I'm curious how this is going to show up in the 3rd edition run.

Well creativity and actually representing the setting for what it is had already suffered.

Sorry, SJW platform?

Quote from: Manic Modron;790256Sorry, SJW platform?

"Social Justice Warrior."  Or what Pundit accurately calls "psuedo-Activists" in the sense that they're agitated over social issues that don't actually matter.  Given that prior editions of Exalted achieved a certain amount of controversy over the drug and slave trade in Nexus (among other things) the fact that it's now apparently under the sway of the "SJW platform" is kinda ironic.

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It also includes having some very large ideological blinders that can produce some odd results.

Yeah, i really really hope that the rpg.net thread is the extreme outlier. If the devs listen to all the SJWs then they will even manage to fuck up the setting (which was, until now, the big selling point of Exalted).

I mean seriously...just look at posts from David J. Prokopetz (as big a know-it-all idiot as the Isator Levie dude...they both love to "hear" themselves "talk")...he twists posts of other memebers way out of shape so just that he can swoop in and be a smart-ass about it....in a SJW way. And he's not the only one that goes about posting that way. At least this time, a mod swooped in and stopped the tangent.

Rpg.net devolves more and more into a place where the best thing to do would be to post a big fat all erasing roll-eyes smiley...
...which i find sad.