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Exalted 3 - What the hell?

Started by DisgruntleFairy, February 24, 2014, 01:51:28 AM

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Snowman0147

#510
September 13, 2014, 07:54:02 PM
Quote from: Nexus;786811Storyteller does seem to bring out the "Shades of Gray", emo, Crapsack worlder in allot of GMs.

It does and I am really sick of it when they do that to settings that are not shitty.  Don't care if it uses storyteller.  If the setting is not bleak you don't get to bleak up the place.

Nexus

#511
September 14, 2014, 12:14:33 PM Last Edit: September 15, 2014, 09:29:00 AM by Nexus
Quote from: Snowman0147;786819It does and I am really sick of it when they do that to settings that are not shitty.  Don't care if it uses storyteller.  If the setting is not bleak you don't get to bleak up the place.

Yeah, I had a GM, excuse me... ST that tried to make Adventure more "mature" for Christ's sake. Like LOEG and Watchmen without all the positivity.

But I would like to expand on my earlier statement. Its not the Storyteller system it self that creates the urge for "edgy, mature games" aside from being best suited for low power settings in its base form there's nothing about it that promotes that mood. Its the attitude that's gathered around it over the years as the original system for the World of Darkness.
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Anglachel

#512
September 14, 2014, 01:05:04 PM
So, "shades of grey" equals crapsack? Nah, totally not buying it. Shades of grey is my preferred game-setting-setting (:D) and i don't think my games are bleak or grimdark...they're just shades-of-grey. I find black and white games boring. Pure evil and shining white knights...ugh.

Nexus

#513
September 14, 2014, 02:34:48 PM Last Edit: September 15, 2014, 09:31:15 AM by Nexus
Quote from: Anglachel;786897So, "shades of grey" equals crapsack? Nah, totally not buying it.

The "shades of gray" in those games  is more shades of black. That's why I put it in sarcasm quotes. The games aren't morally neutral or nuanced just bleak grimdark exercises in nihilism where the phrase "no good deed goes unpunished" was often literally true yet the games were advertized as "Shades of Gray".
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Nexus

#514
September 14, 2014, 06:52:46 PM
Just how many of the TBP's moderation staff are also working on Exalted? It feels like every time I looked into an Exalted thread I see a new one.
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Simlasa

#515
September 14, 2014, 07:12:52 PM
Quote from: Nexus;786811Storyteller does seem to bring out the "Shades of Gray", emo, Crapsack worlder in allot of GMs.
I guessing it's more about the initial subject matter of playing dark gothy vampires attracting a certain crowd... who stuck around for other uses of the system that weren't inherently as dark but brought over those preferences anyway. The guys who first waved Exalted in my vicinity were big fans of VtM.

Warboss Squee

#516
September 15, 2014, 02:36:25 AM
Quote from: Nexus;786946Just how many of the TBP's moderation staff are also working on Exalted? It feels like every time I looked into an Exalted thread I see a new one.

Three or four, and there are a couple that work for OP as nuWoD writers.

jibbajibba

#517
September 15, 2014, 03:05:03 AM
Quote from: Nexus;786894Yeah, I had a GM, excuse me... ST that tried to make Adventure more "mature" for Christ's sake. Like LOEG and Watchmen without all the positivity.

But I would like to expand on my earlier statement. Its the Storyteller system per se that creates the urge for "edgy, mature games" aside from being best suited for low power settings in its base form there's nothing about it that promotes that mood. Its the attitude that's gathered around it over the years as the original system for the World of Darkness.

we came to VtM from the Jyhad card game and we just ripped off alternate ruels floating round the web to start with so we never bought into the mature grimdark stuff. Our CoC were pretty Dark and everythign else we played was already Grim so ...

As a result we have had no issue lifting the storyteller system with its dice pools and using it for a bunch of games from Police procedurals to zombiepocalyse the game is entirely genre neutral. Stat + Skill = dice pool pretty simple really
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Nexus

#518
September 21, 2014, 07:34:10 PM
Who is "Isator Levie"? He often speaks very authoritatively but I haven't seen any indication that he's one of the current writers.
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DaveB

#519
September 22, 2014, 06:06:20 AM
Quote from: Nexus;788089Who is "Isator Levie"? He often speaks very authoritatively but I haven't seen any indication that he's one of the current writers.

He's not one of the writers, he's a fan.

Anglachel

#520
September 22, 2014, 07:06:05 AM
You said it in a nice way.

Let me try:

I'd say he's a fanboy who thinks way too much of himself and his "knowledge". A big fat know-it-all and wise-ass who has an opinion on everything (not only Exalted).
But as the saying goes: Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

:D

Warboss Squee

#521
September 22, 2014, 09:46:45 AM
I'm telling you people, stock up on camp fire snacks now. The flames are going be epic and entertaining when this drops.

I was talking with a friend this morning, and something occurred to me. Far West is horribly late, but at least we know the design intent. We have a basis for how the system works, short stories that fill out the setting, art and commentary that tells you 'this is my game, this is what to expect'.

Exalted? Promises the moon. It's going to play smooth, it's going to be epic, you're going to love everything we've done. We promise. And it's been lapped up with a side of, you can trust us, we care about your issues.

God, I can't wait for the the fallout.

Anglachel

#522
September 22, 2014, 12:22:21 PM
The sad thing is, this is all the fault of those idiots that are now in charge of Exalted development.
Why? As has been proven, OPP can also do it "the other way"...aka open development and talking to the fans (in a not-talking-down-to-them way) and working with them instead of being arrogant and pompous asses.
For example, the new Scion will go this route. Congrats to whoever is in charge on that development team! This is the way to do it in the present of RPG publishing and development.

James Gillen

#523
September 22, 2014, 06:21:07 PM
Quote from: Anglachel;788162The sad thing is, this is all the fault of those idiots that are now in charge of Exalted development.
Why? As has been proven, OPP can also do it "the other way"...aka open development and talking to the fans (in a not-talking-down-to-them way) and working with them instead of being arrogant and pompous asses.
For example, the new Scion will go this route. Congrats to whoever is in charge on that development team! This is the way to do it in the present of RPG publishing and development.

As has been pointed out, being vague, arrogant and pompous is pretty much old-school White Wolf style. ;)

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Nexus

#524
September 22, 2014, 06:36:26 PM
Quote from: DaveB;788134He's not one of the writers, he's a fan.

Thanks, I didn't think he was but he sounds like he is sometimes.

Quote from: Anglachel;788135You said it in a nice way.

Let me try:

I'd say he's a fanboy who thinks way too much of himself and his "knowledge". A big fat know-it-all and wise-ass who has an opinion on everything (not only Exalted).
But as the saying goes: Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

:D

Yeah, if its one thing Exalted fandom has its strong opinions.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;788145I'm telling you people, stock up on camp fire snacks now. The flames are going be epic and entertaining when this drops.

I was talking with a friend this morning, and something occurred to me. Far West is horribly late, but at least we know the design intent. We have a basis for how the system works, short stories that fill out the setting, art and commentary that tells you 'this is my game, this is what to expect'.

Exalted? Promises the moon. It's going to play smooth, it's going to be epic, you're going to love everything we've done. We promise. And it's been lapped up with a side of, you can trust us, we care about your issues.

God, I can't wait for the the fallout.

It should definitely be interesting. They're not doing themselves any favors by letting some assumptions about the new game take solid root. Just from the comments I think some people are in for a major disappointment unless the final product is substantially different.

Quote from: Anglachel;788162The sad thing is, this is all the fault of those idiots that are now in charge of Exalted development.
Why? As has been proven, OPP can also do it "the other way"...aka open development and talking to the fans (in a not-talking-down-to-them way) and working with them instead of being arrogant and pompous asses.
For example, the new Scion will go this route. Congrats to whoever is in charge on that development team! This is the way to do it in the present of RPG publishing and development.

Thing is, its their accepted style what their fanbase seems to have come to expect even appreciate by this pint.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."
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