Quote from: Starglyte;785097When I was following 3rd edition, the new types, along with the new map, was what I was most interested in. Have they said anything new about them?

I really haven't been paying that much attention to the new types so I can't say for sure. The Luminals are going to be sort of similar to Prometheans, IIRC, and the Getamine similar to Sidereals. Exigents are 'black market' Exalts created by minor gods using stolen Exaltations.

I am not a fan of new Exalted types, but after hearing all the details on the Exigents and how the Exigents book would double as a "how to create your own Exalted" antagonist book, it seemed like one of the best parts of 3e TBH.

I'm all for a how to create antagonists book but I felt like the game was fine with 5 splats and pushing a dozen is going just over the top. It starts watering down the concept of Exalts and makes the setting feel "crowded" (all IMO).

And I'm not sure why it was required, storywise, as they've been making such a big deal over tightening and decreasing the power levels so even mortals are ample opposition in many cases. So its not like more possible antagonists were needed. Seems like adding more weight to something that was already strained

Quote from: Nexus;785116I'm all for a how to create antagonists book but I felt like the game was fine with 5 splats and pushing a dozen is going just over the top. It starts watering down the concept of Exalts and makes the setting feel "crowded" (all IMO).

I agree. As said, as GM I liked the idea having an Exalted level antagonist that uses a single book for its mechanics and yet has a lot of variation.

However, I don't find mortals and gods/demons/elementals were sufficiently challenging. That required Exalted antagonists for most big bads. So, I see Exigents as a way of having that any reducing the strain in the process.

Count me in as someone who is also not sold on "even more Exalts" (TM). As Nexus said, the setting is overloaded as is...BUT, similar to Skywalker, i am very much interested in the Exigents. That IS indeed a cool idea.

All the other new Exalted-types will not exist in my Creation (if i am honest, i also do not use Alchemicals, i have no interest in them).

A largely descriptive post of a play test posted on Twitter by John Morke. Its behind the spoiler blocks in the post.

Quote from: Anglachel;785366Count me in as someone who is also not sold on "even more Exalts" (TM). As Nexus said, the setting is overloaded as is...BUT, similar to Skywalker, i am very much interested in the Exigents. That IS indeed a cool idea.

All the other new Exalted-types will not exist in my Creation (if i am honest, i also do not use Alchemicals, i have no interest in them).

I already thought Alchemicals and Infernals were surplus to requirements, even more Exalts is a big turn-off to me.

Quote from: Nexus;785371A largely descriptive post of a play test posted on Twitter by John Morke. Its behind the spoiler blocks in the post.

Gibberish. The comment there about CCGs sums up what I dislike of Exalted's combat system, though that's far from what the commenter intended.

Quote from: Harshael;785437Gibberish. The comment there about CCGs sums up what I dislike of Exalted's combat system, though that's far from what the commenter intended.

I can handle that if two things bare out. One, it's fast and two, the rules are concise enough that I don't have to dig into the book every turn.

I doubt either of these things will happen.

Quote from: Kiero;785416I already thought Alchemicals and Infernals were surplus to requirements, even more Exalts is a big turn-off to me.

Though surplus, I liked how Alchemicals were at least entirely optional to Exalted, and in many ways seperate from it. I ran a very fun game of Alchemicals as it let you run an Exalted like game with just 3 books

Quote from: Harshael;785437Gibberish. The comment there about CCGs sums up what I dislike of Exalted's combat system, though that's far from what the commenter intended.

Agreed. Never got what the appeal of "CCG" like combat was supposed to be but I can get over it if it works and holds together under stress.

That write up doesn't really tell you much though. Even knowing at least one version of the combat system it comes across a pretty opaque, most describing outcomes that practically any other system could generate, just color text and jargon.  

Quote from: Anglachel;785366Count me in as someone who is also not sold on "even more Exalts" (TM). As Nexus said, the setting is overloaded as is...BUT, similar to Skywalker, i am very much interested in the Exigents. That IS indeed a cool idea.

I can get into the basic concept behind Exigents as Exalted of lesser Gods. The offficial back story is what leaves me cold. Though that a purely stylistic objection.

QuoteAll the other new Exalted-types will not exist in my Creation (if i am honest, i also do not use Alchemicals, i have no interest in them).

I like Alchemicals on their own but I don't think they work in Creation and stretch the concept of Exalt to the breaking point. I've incorporated similar beings in my own games as a type of powerful magical construct

I find it so amusing that for a game with a big selling point on how your characters are major powers in the world, rare and potent and movers and shakers that can reshape the world so much emphasis seems focused on making sure there are more and more things that can put the fear of God(s) into the PCs (including the mortals they've allegedly been elevated above).

Never understood how its supposed to be significantly different from, well, almost any other game. You're tougher than Joe Genero, Man on the Street but other than that, not too special.

Wait so mortals can fuck up exalted now?  I thought when they said they are toning down the power they are just getting rid of one shot combo kills and cheap perfect defenses.  Now mortals can rend solars apart.  That is a alien concept to me.  

These are the chosen of the most powerful and perfect god of the known setting.  A god so powerful it made one of the weakest primordials/yozi into one of the most powerful beings by his mere presence.  These are the beings that took vast armies of minor exalted, billions of mortals, and they were armed with super advance magic fused technologies to kill off.  Your telling me some mortal with good stats can be a threat to that?

What the hell indeed.

Quote from: Snowman0147;785681Wait so mortals can fuck up exalted now?  I thought when they said they are toning down the power they are just getting rid of one shot combo kills and cheap perfect defenses.  Now mortals can rend solars apart.  That is a alien concept to me.  

These are the chosen of the most powerful and perfect god of the known setting.  A god so powerful it made one of the weakest primordials/yozi into one of the most powerful beings by his mere presence.  These are the beings that took vast armies of minor exalted, billions of mortals, and they were armed with super advance magic fused technologies to kill off.  Your telling me some mortal with good stats can be a threat to that?

What the hell indeed.

The power levels has been "narrowed". Mortals can be more of a threat to even Celestials even experienced ones as I gather from the commentary. Which is apparently what a vocal amount of the fanbase want. I think its different expectation. For instance one poster said he was glad that he wouldn't run into the problem he'd had previously specifically that his Lunar PC was essentially untouchable by the young martial artist they'd been antagonizing.

I couldn't see why that was a problem. Why should a young mortal martial artist be able to punch a shapeshifting beast god? Why should Danny from the Karate Kid stand much of a chance against Wolverine*? Unless Danny is the PC...and maybe not even then depending on the campaign focus.

*Assuming a stand up fight.

Evidently its a "named character" vs "Faceless mook" thing at least in part. You could define any mortal as a "faceless mook" if you want I suppose but as a personal thing I've never liked that kind of meta shennangans in rpgs but if the rest of the system works for what I want to do I can live it (and the players need never see it).

If its true, then that is a poor development. I seem to recall outcry at how Exalted effectively devalued humanity as the Exalted were so much more powerful. I always found this to be weird as that dilemma is kind of central to the types of stories Exalted is meant to tell.