Exalted 3 - What the hell?

Paper Monkey · July 05, 2014, 02:39:17 PM

Quote from: Warboss Squee;764877I still haven't found the fucking thing.

You'd think it would be everywhere, but all I find is folks talking about it.

Check the OP of those threads?

Simlasa · July 05, 2014, 02:47:35 PM

Quote from: Snowman0147;752252The guy who did Stars Without Numbers had made a better Exalted game...

What might that be? I'd like to have a look at it.

Snowman0147 · July 05, 2014, 02:50:51 PM

Quote from: Simlasa;764882What might that be? I'd like to have a look at it.

Here you go.

Ladybird · July 05, 2014, 02:51:38 PM

Quote from: Snowman0147;764820No shit. I am not paying 75 dollars for a core book of a single splat. I can understand if it is like a limited edition book, but this is the common book with unlimited supply. That is fucking wrong. The fact the pdf is over twenty dollars is insane. No reasonably good pdf should ever go past ten dollars. They are trying to screw their customers.

...and if their customers aren't happy, they won't buy it. Nobody is getting screwed here, it's just supply and demand.

But for a book that requires a lot of development (Art, rules), will last it's purchasers a long time, and isn't likely to sell in large quantities, $75 isn't unreasonable. That's how much things cost. Gamers have just been unwilling to adapt their mental price points to the realities of their hobby.

Simlasa · July 05, 2014, 02:55:23 PM

Quote from: Snowman0147;764884Here you go.

Hmmm... OK, for some reason (the cover) I'd been assuming that was just a Samurai game ala L5R.

Snowman0147 · July 05, 2014, 03:02:19 PM

Quote from: Simlasa;764887Hmmm... OK, for some reason (the cover) I'd been assuming that was just a Samurai game ala L5R.

Setting wise it is more a complex game than that. Does it have a bit of a eastern flair to it? Of course, but so does Exalted. Just look at the Realm. The red tide in that game setting pretty much replaces chaos. Just add in other elements and your good to go.

If that is not enough the writer put the rules for his other books as well. So you can have a epic hero space game, a true fallout game, and go demigod in the spears of the dawn.

Snowman0147 · July 05, 2014, 03:06:11 PM

Quote from: Ladybird;764885...and if their customers aren't happy, they won't buy it. Nobody is getting screwed here, it's just supply and demand.

But for a book that requires a lot of development (Art, rules), will last it's purchasers a long time, and isn't likely to sell in large quantities, $75 isn't unreasonable. That's how much things cost. Gamers have just been unwilling to adapt their mental price points to the realities of their hobby.

If this is a war to change consumers and how they purchase things, then it is a losing war. Game makers need to do what the consumers want to stay alive, or buyers won't buy. That is the reality. You do what your customers want, or your product won't be bought.

Warboss Squee · July 05, 2014, 03:13:40 PM

Quote from: Ladybird;764885...and if their customers aren't happy, they won't buy it. Nobody is getting screwed here, it's just supply and demand.

But for a book that requires a lot of development (Art, rules), will last it's purchasers a long time, and isn't likely to sell in large quantities, $75 isn't unreasonable. That's how much things cost. Gamers have just been unwilling to adapt their mental price points to the realities of their hobby.

Hell, I'm deeply surprised it's not 100 bucks. Funny thing is, I work in the print would these days, and going by basic numbers, printing a hundred copies through a professional printer? Not really that more money intensive than printing a thousand.

And PDFs are actually a rip off at 20 or more dollars, when you take away the cost of paper, ink, binding etc.

This could literally be the next FATAL, and it sell.

Snowman0147 · July 05, 2014, 05:17:56 PM

Thank you for that post and pointing out that pdfs at 20 dollars is a rip off.

Seriously I am sick and tired of people defending these bullshit business practices. There is a difference between making profit and being a greedy piece of shit. There is serving the customers and then there is trying to exploit your customers. No one should defend the policy and practices of Onyx Path. They are not your friends who happen to be hobbyists. They are a business that must treat their customers better, or eventually lose those customers. Spreading lies and bullshit will not save their business.

James Gillen · July 05, 2014, 06:49:04 PM

Quote from: Warboss Squee;764760Our books aren't selling so lets raise prices?

That's Games Workshop levels of bad marketing right there.

I could almost understand that before the PDF age.

JG

Ladybird · July 05, 2014, 07:15:34 PM

Quote from: Warboss Squee;764893Hell, I'm deeply surprised it's not 100 bucks. Funny thing is, I work in the print would these days, and going by basic numbers, printing a hundred copies through a professional printer? Not really that more money intensive than printing a thousand.

But it's not just the printing. It's the art, the writing, the time spent playtesting and bugfixing; none of which is free. The sales are going to be low, so the price needs to be high to get to a reasonable break-even point.

(Whether or not this was a sensible commercial decision, well, I have my doubts.)

Quote from: Snowman0147;764917Seriously I am sick and tired of people defending these bullshit business practices.

I'm not defending them, I'm disagreeing with you on whether a price point is unreasonable. There's a difference.

If you don't feel the product is worth what people are charging for it, don't buy it.

Nexus · July 05, 2014, 08:45:40 PM

I keep hearing about these leaked playtest documents but I can't seem to find them. Does anyone have any idea where they can be found?

James Gillen · July 06, 2014, 03:22:51 AM

Quote from: Ladybird;764956I'm not defending them, I'm disagreeing with you on whether a price point is unreasonable. There's a difference.

If you don't feel the product is worth what people are charging for it, don't buy it.

We're not. And that's the problem, isn't it?

JG

Marleycat · July 06, 2014, 04:33:00 AM

100.00 bucks?!? Wowsa.

Ladybird · July 06, 2014, 05:43:18 AM

Quote from: James Gillen;765101We're not. And that's the problem, isn't it?

JG

Well, economically, yeah. Lower sales means each copy has to carry more of the cost of blah blah blah (We all understand break-even points, right?).

On the other hand, it wasn't you that committed to producing an expensive folly, that was all Onyx Path.