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Exalted 3 - What the hell?

Started by DisgruntleFairy, February 24, 2014, 01:51:28 AM

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Nexus

#300
May 19, 2014, 02:42:22 PM
Some recent commentary and playtest material

http://ericminton.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/exalted-3e-playtest-mortal-combat/

http://ericminton.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/exalted-3e-playtest-the-marst-chronicle/

Honestly, it mostly boils down to

 "Actually I've played the new Exalted system. I really like [REDACTED] and feel they did a good job on [REDACTED]. I can't wait for the ability to do something cool which [REDACTED] makes easy."
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Opaopajr

#301
May 19, 2014, 02:52:22 PM
*sigh* comments about oWoD reprints makes me long for a C20 (Changeling). Which reminds me to update my to-buy list with W20. Still no interest in nWoD.
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JamesV

#302
May 19, 2014, 07:22:04 PM
Quote from: Nexus;750397Some recent commentary and playtest material

http://ericminton.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/exalted-3e-playtest-mortal-combat/

http://ericminton.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/exalted-3e-playtest-the-marst-chronicle/

Honestly, it mostly boils down to

 "Actually I've played the new Exalted system. I really like [REDACTED] and feel they did a good job on [REDACTED]. I can't wait for the ability to do something cool which [REDACTED] makes easy."

I like the lead to one of the articles:
"I hope that it remains informative nonetheless!"

Consider your hopes dashed, sir. It's pointless to talk about how awesome that thing was that one time.
It's Mad-Libs for suckers.

Actually I've played the new Exalted system. I really like [verb + noun]  and feel they did a good job on [verb]. I can't wait for the ability  to do something cool which [noun] makes easy.
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#303
May 19, 2014, 07:28:33 PM
Quote from: JamesV;750496
Actually I've played the new Exalted system. I really like [verb + noun]  and feel they did a good job on [verb]. I can't wait for the ability  to do something cool which [noun] makes easy.

"Actually I've played the new Exalted system.  I really like curling doughnuts and feel they did a good job on spooning.  I can't wait for the ability to do something cool which paper carton makes easy."
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Mcbobbo sums it up nicely.

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DisgruntleFairy

#304
May 20, 2014, 05:20:56 PM
Quote from: Nexus;750085I do wonder if the secrecy will backfire at some point. Playing everything close to their chest does prevent some unwarranted speculation (not all...) but the constant hype on top of that could create some very unrealistic expectations.

Not that the expectations for Exalted have ever been very realistic.

Its certainly backfired as far as I'm concerned. I have no plans on buying anything for the line in the near future. Maybe if the game is excellent I maybe more forgiving. But even then there wont be any more Kickstarter backing for these guys.

Honestly, by the time Infernals comes out I maybe interested in buying it. I frankly don't expect any of the current team to be still on the project by then.

Nexus

#305
May 22, 2014, 04:16:21 PM
Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;750761Its certainly backfired as far as I'm concerned. I have no plans on buying anything for the line in the near future. Maybe if the game is excellent I maybe more forgiving. But even then there wont be any more Kickstarter backing for these guys.

Honestly, by the time Infernals comes out I maybe interested in buying it. I frankly don't expect any of the current team to be still on the project by then.

They're already talking House rules and Rule 0 fallacy in the rpg.net thread so that really doesn't bode well for the final product. Reading the thread on the OP forum was painful, a little worse than useless. It reminded me why I stopped going there back when it was the WW forums.

I'm really wondering about the quality of the "playtesting" and if its more than we recruit lots of our rabid fans to tell us how much we rock and sniff dismissively at any opinion outside that group. That [redacted] shit is pitiful. Look, we understand you're under some weird NDA but you KNOW that when you start writing. You can write your opinions around it (or not at all since you can't actually answer any questions). That 'censored" crap if just poking people with your "superior" knowledge. For one thing, just saying the name of a mechanic isn't likely to give the game away. Its just jargon.
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 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Warthur

#306
May 22, 2014, 04:47:24 PM
Quote from: Nexus;751680They're already talking House rules and Rule 0 fallacy in the rpg.net thread so that really doesn't bode well for the final product.
Particularly since the "Houserule it! Rule 0, baby!" fallacy becomes increasingly fallacious with the amount of crunch and the extent to which the bits of crunch interlock with each other, and Exalted is fairly extreme as far as desperately intertwined crunch goes...
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DisgruntleFairy

#307
May 22, 2014, 05:49:47 PM
Quote from: Nexus;751680They're already talking House rules and Rule 0 fallacy in the rpg.net thread so that really doesn't bode well for the final product. Reading the thread on the OP forum was painful, a little worse than useless. It reminded me why I stopped going there back when it was the WW forums.

No, it really doesn't. When you decide to keep one of the most easily abused and problematic ideas from past version that other branches of your own company have abandoned. It doesn't bode well for the final product.

What's worse after reading it and participating. I don't think Holden understand the complaint.

Warthur

#308
May 22, 2014, 06:31:55 PM
Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;751717What's worse after reading it and participating. I don't think Holden understand the complaint.
Unfortunately it looks like this sort of thing is going to be endemic with Onyx Path. The main dude just posted an article on the Onyx Path blog robustly defending his policy of letting the developers just set their own schedule and not enforcing any sort of deadlines and letting them execute their own individual visions, which means that the individual game lines are going to vary wildly in quality and consistency depending on the developers involved.
I am no longer posting here or reading this forum because Pundit has regularly claimed credit for keeping this community active. I am sick of his bullshit for reasons I explain here and I don\'t want to contribute to anything he considers to be a personal success on his part.

I recommend The RPG Pub as a friendly place where RPGs can be discussed and where the guiding principles of moderation are "be kind to each other" and "no politics". It\'s pretty chill so far.

Nexus

#309
May 22, 2014, 06:36:07 PM
Quote from: Warthur;751734Unfortunately it looks like this sort of thing is going to be endemic with Onyx Path. The main dude just posted an article on the Onyx Path blog robustly defending his policy of letting the developers just set their own schedule and not enforcing any sort of deadlines and letting them execute their own individual visions, which means that the individual game lines are going to vary wildly in quality and consistency depending on the developers involved.

Lack of consistency and quality control were one of the problems that  plagued the earlier editions of s Exalted as the designers and writers changed fairly frequently.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Warthur

#310
May 22, 2014, 06:53:17 PM
Yeah, I think this is one of those cases where an overreaction to an old problem ends up creating a new one - now if a line has a flaky, unreliable developer the line is going to be perpetually flaky and unreliable because OP aren't willing to yank it and give the job to someone else, which sucks if you are a fan of that line.

Though on the other hand, if your favoured line is catered to by a shit-hot dev who cranks out the awesome at a consistent pace then you're sorted.
I am no longer posting here or reading this forum because Pundit has regularly claimed credit for keeping this community active. I am sick of his bullshit for reasons I explain here and I don\'t want to contribute to anything he considers to be a personal success on his part.

I recommend The RPG Pub as a friendly place where RPGs can be discussed and where the guiding principles of moderation are "be kind to each other" and "no politics". It\'s pretty chill so far.

Snowman0147

#311
May 22, 2014, 07:20:38 PM
Shit...  There are times I want to play exalted, but the rules are so mess up it scares me away.  It looks like to me that 3rd edition is dead on arrival which is a shame.

Oh well I guess FATE can replace exalted then.

DisgruntleFairy

#312
May 23, 2014, 02:06:39 PM
Quote from: Warthur;751734Unfortunately it looks like this sort of thing is going to be endemic with Onyx Path. The main dude just posted an article on the Onyx Path blog robustly defending his policy of letting the developers just set their own schedule and not enforcing any sort of deadlines and letting them execute their own individual visions, which means that the individual game lines are going to vary wildly in quality and consistency depending on the developers involved.

Yep, its amazing to me how much of the old White Wolf problems that Onyx Path has inherited without any particular consideration that maybe there are other ways that things could be done.

It really bothers me that Onyx Path seems to be treating this like a hobby project instead of a business. While at the same time acting like its a business. Its one or the other guys make your choice.

Quote from: Nexus;751738Lack of consistency and quality control were one of the problems that  plagued the earlier editions of s Exalted as the designers and writers changed fairly frequently.

Yes, it was. I would be shocked if it isn't a issue with this version eventually.


Quote from: Ithaeur from Exalted" Still no reveal on the new combat rules post 696I'd love it if people waited for the game to be actually publishedt, let alone reading and trying it out, before declaring it broken and inventing fixes.

It would help if they would actually publish something! Or at least give me some sign that it wont be a broken pile of crap. Give me some reason to believe its not going to suck. Then I might think it might not suck.

Nexus

#313
May 23, 2014, 03:47:08 PM
Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;751997It would help if they would actually publish something! Or at least give me some sign that it wont be a broken pile of crap. Give me some reason to believe its not going to suck. Then I might think it might not suck.

Exactly. I don't know whats more amazing the amount of blind faith the Ex3 developers seem to expect or the amount they're getting. The Exalted fanbase has always been a little, I guess, zealous, is a good word. But damn...

The thread on the OP forum is a good example. It's either completely fluffy questions ("What the most distance anyone has fallen?"), vague uninformative accolades ("The something of that thing is awesome, trust us!") or prickly snarky responses to people not doing the former two.

But, all in all it seems to be working.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Nexus

#314
May 23, 2014, 04:03:24 PM
Am I reading the course of the conversation wrong or is it basically "You shouldn't be critical as they (the developers) are doing you a favor, shut up and take (pay) for what you're given."

coached in the "Well we could be making much more money in some other industry" argument.

Edit: And saying that game designers are not good at writing rules is now a "Personal/Group Attack" regardless of the validity of the complaints.

That's going to put a serious crimp in the review section.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."
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