I agree with you Nexus. Interestingly, that's *almost* what they did with NWoD's Hunter: The Vigil. But they came up with a fairly useful alternative in having Hunter-splatbooks that had very toned-down versions of their traditional monster-splats so you could focus on the Hunters.

In many ways it was a modern-throwback to their pre-Werewolf Vampire Citybooks (Milwaukee By Night) that just statted up Werewolves with Vampire stat-blocks and some nifty abilities and just let it run, but it was all Vampire.

I wished they would have left it that way... but oh well.

I don't like how the Hunter: The Hunter monster splats were done.  As far as the core three versions I am concern.  Vampire is too powerful with it 50 willpower at blood potency five and werewolves to weak with the slow essence growth.  Witches are perfectly fine in the absolute middle customize magic system.

Quote from: Nexus;911463The World of Darkness was a single entity very shortly afters its creation with the games sharing material, npcs, settings, metaplot and supplements. Yes, the initial idea was that they be separate "universes" sharing a single genre "Gothic Punk", a system and some concepts but that fell by the wayside pretty quickly both due to fan pressure and finacial concerns, cross overs promoted cross "universe" sales. I wish they did stick to their guns and keep them separate settings (Hell, I wish they'd done with Exalted) since several of the endemic problems with the WoD stemmed from cramming everything into one setting (conflicting cosmologies for one).

If I remember correctly, the first edition of Vampire, Werewolf and Mage were designed to be separate universes.  When the 2nd Edition came out in '92, they kept the same mechanics that were unique to each type of supernatural and simply said "Here, they all work together now." and left players to their own devices.  Then the Revised Edition came out, with more of the 'They all work together, really!" BS, but tried to make it work in their oddly bumbling sort of way that again, didn't really change how they were supposed to work back in 91, despite having 6 years from the Second Edition to get their crap together.

Changling and the rest were pretty much bolted on haphazardly and in between the various editions and revisions.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;911511If I remember correctly, the first edition of Vampire, Werewolf and Mage were designed to be separate universes.  When the 2nd Edition came out in '92, they kept the same mechanics that were unique to each type of supernatural and simply said "Here, they all work together now." and left players to their own devices.  Then the Revised Edition came out, with more of the 'They all work together, really!" BS, but tried to make it work in their oddly bumbling sort of way that again, didn't really change how they were supposed to work back in 91, despite having 6 years from the Second Edition to get their crap together.

Changling and the rest were pretty much bolted on haphazardly and in between the various editions and revisions.

That meshes up closely to how I recall it.

The took place more or less in the same universe but they didn't really seem to be written to cross over or play together.  Werewolf seemed to assume that the PCs would all be werewolves and that vampires would only appear as NPC antagonists using the simplified rules in the Werewolf.  Certainly, there was no allowance for Vampire PCs in either the rules or the fluff.  Of course, one of my players immediately wanted to play a vampire anyway.  

They eventually came up with crossover rules but they were always a muddled mess.  Some types like Wraiths and Changelings never played well with the others no matter what they did with the rules.  It's hard to do a crossover game when some of the PCs live at least partly in a world that the others can't see or interact with.

Has Arms of the Chosen or the Dragonblooded hardback been released yet? Any word on them if they haven't?

Quote from: Nexus;926166Has Arms of the Chosen or the Dragonblooded hardback been released yet? Any word on them if they haven't?

Looks like The Realm and Dragon-Blooded are in second draft.

Arms of the Chosen is listed in the Development section of their Monday updates.

Quote from: Michael Gray;926186Looks like The Realm and Dragon-Blooded are in second draft.

And have been since this time last year.

It will be very interesting to see how the next Exalted Kickstart project will do. I am pretty sure they will make their goal, no problems, because there are enough fans of the new edition. But i am also pretty sure that it will be way below what the Devs might (still?) hope for. Because a lot of people got burned by the first KS and the behavior of the Dev. crew and/or are just disappointed with the new rules.

I myself have to fight my inner complete-ist...i wanted to have all the splat books in KS Deluxe variant (that was my intention right before the core KS went live) but honestly, after the disaster that are the new rules and how the core KS was handled and just how the Dev. crew is acting around fans and/or customers... there's no way i am going to throw any more money their way (even though i'd have liked a complete set).

Quote from: Michael Gray;926186Looks like The Realm and Dragon-Blooded are in second draft.

Arms of the Chosen is listed in the Development section of their Monday updates.

Thanks. Looks like I had the release order backwards. I thought Arms of the Chosen was going to be the first thing out. But the DB stuff being earlier does make sense. Mainly I want to see the discussion about them to get some idea about the new fluff for the Realm. Call it morbid curiosity.

Quote from: Skywalker;926275And have been since this time last year.

Damn. Its going to be a decade getting everything out this rate.

Exalted's delays will be delayed.

Scion KS suggests that the Ex3 KS failures will have no significant impact on further Ex3 KS.

Quote from: Skywalker;926332Scion KS suggests that the Ex3 KS failures will have no significant impact on further Ex3 KS.

I will believe it when I see it.

Quote from: Skywalker;926332Scion KS suggests that the Ex3 KS failures will have no significant impact on further Ex3 KS.

Why would that be? Scion is a totally different team. True, the asshat RichT is still the boss, but at least the Dev team is quiet different.
AND Scion was nowhere near the Ex KS, money wise.

Not that i disagree completely, but i'd like to see your reasoning.

There is a large crossover of fanbase. Though the teams are different, they are and have always been some overlap between them.