Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;908867In reality, it's like going to a club, seeing a really hot chick and when you get her home and slide her pants down a huge, unwashed dick falls out and hits you in the face.

Hey! Don't diss the openness and inclusiveness of Exalted as a game...it's a feature, not a bug. EVERYONE* should feel welcome and represented in the game!!!!

*Safe for white heterosexual men, because you know, they are not allowed to have an opinion on ... well ... anything

:D

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;908867I meant that OPP makes a bazillion in cash-money, treats its backers like ass, lies, is super-late and then the game sucks. Sine Nomine is a one-man-show that rakes in less, is open, helpful and transparent, delivers on time and the game rocks, doing Exalted better than Exalted.

Then you have a supplement for a generic, rules lite system that's part of a three-part KS...the other two parts having nothing to do with a game of divinity...and it does more in 160 pages than Ex3 does in 700.

Both alternatives need to be hacked and they still play better...

Exalted is good in theory and a nice "What if?" dream. In reality, it's like going to a club, seeing a really hot chick and when you get her home and slide her pants down a huge, unwashed dick falls out and hits you in the face.

We don't tolerate Transphobic hypotheticals here even if taking it as such entirely misses the point. You should know better *virtual finger wag* 1 yr ban. Please direct appeals to Gronan's pee hole.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;908867In reality, it's like going to a club, seeing a really hot chick and when you get her home and slide her pants down a huge, unwashed dick falls out and hits you in the face.

"Unwashed?"  It would help if it were clean?

Quote from: ThatChrisGuy;908906"Unwashed?"  It would help if it were clean?

It might.

At least mow the lawn.

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We don't tolerate Transphobic hypotheticals here even if taking it as such entirely misses the point. You should know better *virtual finger wag* 1 yr ban. Please direct appeals to Gronan's pee hole.

Ooooh! Red text! Mah feels and mah bads! In all seriousness, I used such a "controversial" example because 1) it's indicative of a bait n' switch, which applies to Exalted, 2) I can and it's at least mildly funny, and 3) it gets under the skins of overly-sensitive asshole SJWs. What's crazy is that people in Bad-touch Barneyville would take it as transphobic. Well, I'm not scared of trannies, I just don't wanna' fuck 'em (the whole "blank-phobic" thing is so dumb). The entire, easily seen point...that I wanted one thing but got another...would be lost on them. Perhaps I should've gone with, "It's like picking up a one-eyed, gender-fluid otherkin and when I got them home, a Bible falls out of their pocket, they remove their eyepatch and yell, "I'm actually a straight, white, Christian man!". More acceptable?

Quote from: ThatChrisGuy;908906"Unwashed?"  It would help if it were clean?

Yeah, unwashed it's like being smacked in the face by an anchovy sausage.

You got one thing wrong.  Godbound was suppose to be release this fall.  Which means Kevin Crawsford delivered the goods EARLY.  Suck on that Exalted devs.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;908867Exalted is good in theory and a nice "What if?" dream. In reality, it's like going to a club, seeing a really hot chick and when you get her home and slide her pants down a huge, unwashed dick falls out and hits you in the face.

"It's a trap!" - Admiral Ackbar

Quote from: Snowman0147;909032You got one thing wrong.  Godbound was suppose to be release this fall.  Which means Kevin Crawsford delivered the goods EARLY.  Suck on that Exalted devs.

Oh, snaps! You're very right! I didn't back it, so I'm not brushed up on the chronology. In your face Rich & Friends! Kevin's bringing it and bringing it early.

To clarify, Godbound isn't good because it's not Exalted, it's just plain good. That it does Exalted so well is just a bonus (and fodder for snideness!).

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;908925Yeah, unwashed it's like being smacked in the face by an anchovy sausage.

Exactly how often does this happen to you???

Quote from: Spike;909089Exactly how often does this happen to you???

Any time I dare tread in the world of OPP...

Quote from: Nexus;908291They seemed to like the Withering and Decisive systems for combat. That thing still makes me teeth itch. But more from because of implementation than the basic premise.

I like it as well. Granted, the execution could have been better.
Admittedly, I did recently find a better execution in a houseruled system, which exists almost since the KS for Exalted 3. I attribute that to the "designer" (a friend I introduced to RPGs who has never heard of Exalted) working under different constraints.
Meaning, he's not even trying to hide that yes, it's meant to be a simulation of "jockeying for position and overcoming a layered defence". His "audience", read his group, doesn't care what stories can be told with the combat system, but who lives and who dies.

Quote from: Whitewings;908366A sex change is within the ability of an unExalted sorceror, but it would be quite expensive, about the equivalent of $5,000 in modern terms, the rituals would take an entire month, and the waiting list would be long because most sorcerors are very busy people. Also, Dereth is mostly a social custom; Diamond is unusual in being genuinely transexual. Taken together, these provide a good explanation for her still being a her, but still don't explain why she doesn't seem at all interested in becoming a he.

I think you missed a zero in the price. Other than that, yes, it's possible.
But "Dereth as a social custom" makes sense. Some people don't like the role they're assigned at birth (whether they'd be transgender, or whatever, is besides the point). Some societies have "safety valves" for them. The end. Some people that choose that veil would be transgender. Others would be men who prefer to be sociable and hate violence. Yet others would be women who don't feel like showing off their bodies and possibly like dueling, or whatever.

Quote from: Nexus;908451Hell considering the Black and White Treatise had a two page spread picture of The Lover Clad in Raiment of Tears that had her entire ass showing its hardly like it was only scantily clad sorceress in Exalted.

Who ever claimed she was the only one:)?

Quote from: Luca;908490Long story short, the new official line is that the savants and higher ups in the Immaculate Order (and not just the siddies behind it) knew all along that the whole "Solars are anathema sun-stealing demons" is bullshit, but they still feed the tale to the unwashed masses because the truth ("Solars were architect of a great era but their power got them crazy so we shall not allow them to rise again") would be too hard to understand for the peasants.

Quote from: Nexus;908494Here ya go.


Like most things Exalted this edition, its long and immense

Don't like it, reverted to 1st edition version of it;).

Quote from: Nexus;908571The whole thing along with other aspects of the revised setting serves to reinforce my feeling that its a setting about being demigod heroes written by people that don't believe in heroism and may in fact be innately corrupt.

Well, heroes has different meaning at different ages. My idea of "demigod heroes" has always been like the "heroes who fought at Troy".
In other words, I am unsurprised that they might practice slavery, violence, backstabbing on a political, military and physical level, skulduggery, mind control, poison use, mutilation of dead bodies, or genocidal tendencies. All of these and probably more are in the source material.

Quote from: Nexus;908811I know of two Dragonblooded focused games in GURPS that have been running successfully for quite awhile. GURPS is a good system but wouldn't be my first choice high flying Elemental Kung Fu but apparently it handles the setting better.

Well, GURPS with Martial Arts supplement does handle the Elemental Kung-fu part.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;909231Any time I dare tread in the world of OPP...

At this point, I think you should keep away from "the world of OPP" as much as you can;).

QuoteWell, heroes has different meaning at different ages. My idea of "demigod heroes" has always been like the "heroes who fought at Troy."

Heroes, in any definition, do great deeds and shape the world around them. The Exalted dev team seems to loathe this idea. Which, as Exalted doesn't have (or at least has been claimed not to have) an advancing setting, rather comes across as "Look at this wonderful world we've made and all these cool toys to do neat things with it! Wait, you're… doing things to the world! You're changing it! Waaaaah!" As I've put it before, Exalted is a game of epic heroism written by people who hate heroes and aren't too clear on the concept of epic.

Quote from: Whitewings;909299Heroes, in any definition, do great deeds and shape the world around them. The Exalted dev team seems to loathe this idea.

Assuming they did*, they'd have failed miserably to back their hate with mechanics.
Quite a few of the Charms are meant to do permanent changes, and so do the newly-introduced Sorcerous Workings.

*I'm not sure that's the truth.

To stop this thread from being a complete echo chamber, I'm going to second "Sorcerous Workings" as a cool mechanic which can see active play in a game.

The problem is, Dominion from Godbound does the same thing and more, and is a whole lot easier to use for PCs.

Really though, as has been said earlier, Exalted 1st is the best edition, although it too was riddled with design flaws. Going in completely different mechanical directions each edition hasn't seemed to help it much.

What the next Exalted should do, is take a note from D&D 5th edition. Shed some of the excess needless complexity of the later editions. Go back to basics.