Quote from: Axiomatic;747379He couldn't afford to go to the doctor and basically resigned himself to dying. Yes, he was a bit insane. People eventually managed to convince him to go anyway and he got enough money from the internet to, you know, afford medicine.

America has an insane healthcare system.

I really can't help but notice that if Onyx Path actually hired people instead of keeping them as freelancers to save money, he would have had some kind of insurance out of it.

Now now, I understand that the times are tough, and they don't have a lot of money, and that many companies do that, yada yada.

But, you know. Not ZERO blame.

Quote from: Axiomatic;747379He couldn't afford to go to the doctor and basically resigned himself to dying. Yes, he was a bit insane. People eventually managed to convince him to go anyway and he got enough money from the internet to, you know, afford medicine.

America has an insane healthcare system.

Well, on the other hand, it was the inspiration for Breaking Bad.

JG

Quote from: J.L. Duncan;747393Unfortunately, contractors do this all the time-and people do flip the fuck out.

In regards to Kickstarter projects, being late seems to be the norm. Glad you feel better and welcome to the boards.

http://smallbusinessinfomation.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/most-kickstarter-projects-fail-to-deliver-on-time/

Yeah, but most people don't go "I'm sure the contractor will grace us with the thing we paid for at some point even if they wont contact us in any meaningful way!" Like the fans seem to be doing with the Kickstarter. :-P

Quote from: vytzka;747706I really can't help but notice that if Onyx Path actually hired people instead of keeping them as freelancers to save money, he would have had some kind of insurance out of it.

Now now, I understand that the times are tough, and they don't have a lot of money, and that many companies do that, yada yada.

But, you know. Not ZERO blame.

Well my other thought is... Couldn't he apply for healthcare and subsidies under the ACA? Depending on the state he maybe covered by expanded Medicaid. I mean if you have a serious medical issue maybe you should be investigating your options. But maybe I'm being too harsh.

Quote from: vytzka;747706I really can't help but notice that if Onyx Path actually hired people instead of keeping them as freelancers to save money, he would have had some kind of insurance out of it.

Now now, I understand that the times are tough, and they don't have a lot of money, and that many companies do that, yada yada.

But, you know. Not ZERO blame.

Quoted for truth.  Getting really sick and tired of people sucking up to Onyx Path.  Just because they are redoing old world of darkness again does not mean they are immune to criticism.  

These are the same people that sold off White Wolf to CCP in the first place and you seen how well that went.  Now they are making bank off former white wolf products they could at least pay the medical bills for the guy.

I've said it before and I will say it again. Considering how open OP was with God Machine and Demon, as well as other WoD products, their refusal or inability to give any sort of concrete information concerning the base mechanics of Ex3 is baffling.

If it's going to be a love/hate-fest regardless, it's only to their benefit to convince either the detractors or those of us on the fence.

Quote from: Snowman0147;747858Just because they are redoing old world of darkness again does not mean they are immune to criticism.  

I don't consider regurgitating old shit as something worthy of praise. How much effort is really required to reprint something? It's milking a cash cow, nothing more.

Are they seriously throwing up D and D and Pathfinder's popularity as a 'defense" of Exception Based Mechanics considering how much Exalted's developers and a significant portion of the fanbase liked to shit all over those games for years?

And the blue Hell do popular computer and video games have to do with a successful pen and paper rpg combat/resolution mechanics beyond the vaguest connections? When everything is 100 percent automated the rules can be complicated as Hell since the "GM" will never forget them and thinks of high speed. And since most games can't expanded or altered or at least not by much (its unlikely the Exalted the computer game would have custom charms) it doesn't have to deal with things like unexpected synergies or future writers that don't grasp the interactions.

Quote from: Nexus;748027Are they seriously throwing up D and D and Pathfinder's popularity as a 'defense" of Exception Based Mechanics

1. 3.xFinder is popular, and has y fans
2. 3.xFinder has z exception-based mechanics
3. Ex3 have z^2 exception-based mechanics
4. Ex3 should thus achieve y^2 fans

Simples.

Quote from: Holden1) There has never been an RPG with really immaculate balance that I'm aware of. D&D4 is as close as I can think of anything getting. It's sure as hell not a problem exclusive to exception-based design (hello, Dresden Files). The genre's endemic balance issues tend to be more linked to the expectation that RPG characters are highly customizable.*

2) Sturgeon's law.

*Edit: Well, and the fact that most RPGs are built in the spare time of 3-10 people in 6-12 months, on budgets that one would have to be very generous to call shoestring. This does not help promote extreme rigor, either.

Does this look like "ehhh balance isn't a big deal" to anyone else? Isn't that kinda a weird position to take given the fact the game they are creating a new version of is notorious for having nothing resembling balance and that being a huge problem with the game?

Quote from: Ladybird;7480281. 3.xFinder is popular, and has y fans
2. 3.xFinder has z exception-based mechanics
3. Ex3 have z^2 exception-based mechanics
4. Ex3 should thus achieve y^2 fans

Simples.

This is amazing.

I am in amazement.

Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;747716Yeah, but most people don't go "I'm sure the contractor will grace us with the thing we paid for at some point even if they wont contact us in any meaningful way!" Like the fans seem to be doing with the Kickstarter. :-P

The Kickstarter Mob!

I guess we'll have to see how the next KS goes-that is if the company does another?-;)

Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;748032Does this look like "ehhh balance isn't a big deal" to anyone else? Isn't that kinda a weird position to take given the fact the game they are creating a new version of is notorious for having nothing resembling balance and that being a huge problem with the game?

Looking back at the thread. This statement of mine is likely unfair.

Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;748032Does this look like "ehhh balance isn't a big deal" to anyone else? Isn't that kinda a weird position to take given the fact the game they are creating a new version of is notorious for having nothing resembling balance and that being a huge problem with the game?

In fairness to Holden, I took it as meaning that perfect balance isn't possible which is a fair statement. On the other hand, I've seen this sort of thing used an excuse to shut down complaints over some painfully broken crap being published in the past. For Exalted for that matter.

Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;747716Yeah, but most people don't go "I'm sure the contractor will grace us with the thing we paid for at some point even if they wont contact us in any meaningful way!" Like the fans seem to be doing with the Kickstarter. :-P

I think the developers of Exalted 3rd feel they have a rock solid core of people that are going to buy the book the instant it's released, Hell or High Water even it was composed of a collection Rorschach Test images created by the staff blowing their nose and photo copying the results. They'd really have to be very very ingratiating as the fanbase has proven. Sometimes it seems like ruder and more condescending the developers get the more they're treated like rock stars.