I don't know where to begin. That is the exact same problem we have with metaplot but makes even less sense because the point of the game is that the PCs have god-like power to reshape the world which we are then supposed to ignore in favor of... what? What are the PCs even supposed to do if they are not supposed to do anything? Pretend they're important when they're just sitting on a couch watching TV forever?

I think the lesson we should take from this is that continuously updated settings and player choice don't mix. The same theme park versus sandbox lesson we see in practice with MMOs. Example: upcoming sandbox MMOs like Crowsfall and Camelot Unchained will run in cycles where the players get to conquer the world map before the world is reset so that other players get a chance. Something like that except in Adventure Path format is the only analogue I imagine working for tabletop. Every adventure path would be a variation on the PCs reshaping the world, which would be replaced with a new edition ever few years to keep up with the metaplot. With extra funding we'd get a choose your own adventure path.

It's even worse because Exalted (at least officially) has no metaplot. Everything in every supplement is supposed to be described the state of Creation as of Realm Year 784: 784 years after the Scarlet Empress claimed the throne.

Quote from: Whitewings;903619It's even worse because Exalted (at least officially) has no metaplot. Everything in every supplement is supposed to be described the state of Creation as of Realm Year 784: 784 years after the Scarlet Empress claimed the throne.

Once you populate a setting with NPCs that are doing what the PCs are doing to the point that you need to excise them to make room for the players, you have metaplot.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;903639Once you populate a setting with NPCs that are doing what the PCs are doing to the point that you need to excise them to make room for the players, you have metaplot.

THat's not the normal meaning of metaplot, which is "each new supplement advances the timeline and changes the setting," with the results of PC actions being either explicitly or more often implicitly ignored completely. This has only been done well once, in Shadowrun, because the changes introduced aren't things the PCs could reasonably be expected to influence significantly.

Quote from: Whitewings;903619It's even worse because Exalted (at least officially) has no metaplot. Everything in every supplement is supposed to be described the state of Creation as of Realm Year 784: 784 years after the Scarlet Empress claimed the throne.

So, metastasis then?

Quote from: Baulderstone;903693So, metastasis then?

Not entirely inapplicable...

No matter what it's called, having a game about super-powered demigods changing the world but you can't/shouldn't because the NPCs are too powerful/have already done the cool stuff, is stupid. Having to wait years to get the full picture of a static setting, is stupid. Lying about your intentions when "remaking" a beloved IP, is stupid. Treating loyal fans and customers like shit because they called you on said lies (as well as other shit), is stupid. Doubling-down on an already overly-complicated system, is stupid. Pandering to shrill morons about how sexy a female character is, is stupid.

Added up? Rich and Friends, are stupid.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;903703Having to wait years to get the full picture of a static setting, is stupid.

This is probably the main thing that killed me on the game back during first edition. The setting seemed pretty cool, but having to wait a full year just to get the Dragon Blooded, who were completely central to the setting, I just lost interest. Realizing that another central faction of the setting would drop out of the aether every year for the next x years, I just gave my books to a curious friend.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;903703No matter what it's called, having a game about super-powered demigods changing the world but you can't/shouldn't because the NPCs are too powerful/have already done the cool stuff, is stupid. Having to wait years to get the full picture of a static setting, is stupid. Lying about your intentions when "remaking" a beloved IP, is stupid. Treating loyal fans and customers like shit because they called you on said lies (as well as other shit), is stupid. Doubling-down on an already overly-complicated system, is stupid. Pandering to shrill morons about how sexy a female character is, is stupid.

Added up? Rich and Friends, are stupid.

This is why I switch to Godbound.  Which by the way I am seeking new players for a Skype campaign.  Anyone want to play?

Quote from: Snowman0147;903718This is why I switch to Godbound.  Which by the way I am seeking new players for a Skype campaign.  Anyone want to play?

What's the schedule? I may be able to.

I'm happy that Godbound and (hopefully) Gods of the Fall will leech away the good people from Ex3. I feel pretty bad for those cool cats who believed it would be as advertised and were handed poop.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;903723What's the schedule? I may be able to.

I'm happy that Godbound and (hopefully) Gods of the Fall will leech away the good people from Ex3. I feel pretty bad for those cool cats who believed it would be as advertised and were handed poop.

Heh, it's not even that it's necessarily poop. Perfectly playable game. But Godbound is just so much BETTER it's not even funny.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;903723What's the schedule? I may be able to.

I'm happy that Godbound and (hopefully) Gods of the Fall will leech away the good people from Ex3. I feel pretty bad for those cool cats who believed it would be as advertised and were handed poop.

Sunday at 8pm est.

Quote from: Michael Gray;903726Heh, it's not even that it's necessarily poop. Perfectly playable game. But Godbound is just so much BETTER it's not even funny.

Speaking of which I made house rule post for socket items that uses hearth stones.  Here is a link.

Quote from: Snowman0147;903765Sunday at 8pm est.

Sadly, I go to bed around then (0330 wake-up and all!), but thank you!

No problem.