Quote from: Nexus;901593What's up with the fedora hate?

They're great hats for a suit that matches it.  The majority of people who wear fedoras couldn't afford a suit if they saved for a year.

Quote from: Nexus;901593What's up with the fedora hate?

Wearing fedora / trilby suggests you're an euphoric hipster, too enlightened to care about mundane stuff like common folk. Virginity and low social skills implied.
It's like an uniform for modern stupid.

Quote from: JesterRaiin;901608Wearing fedora / trilby suggests you're an euphoric hipster, too enlightened to care about mundane stuff like common folk. Virginity and low social skills implied.
It's like an uniform for modern stupid.

The worst part is, they're never wearing a good quality one.  It's always some $10 shelf fedora from Lidz or some other mall store.  Bad materials, bad fit, and bad shape.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;9015622.5 with it's needless Charm glut and evident egocentric love of itself.

That's just a low blow. Got it, you don't like 3e, but comparing it with the most boring version of Exalted to date is too much;).

QuoteIf Alchemicals makes it out before the end of this decade, I will eat my hat.

I'll make sure to ask the developers to bring it before 2020, and video or it didn't happen:D!

Quote from: Crüesader;901589If that hat's a Fedora, I'll salt it for you.  If it's a driving cap, stetson, or bowler?  Just let me loan you my Miller Lite trucker cap.

Ivy cap. And it's never Miller time.

Quote from: AsenRG;901644That's just a low blow. !

Doesn't mean it's not accurate.  I've looked over the charm list, that's just NUTS.  1e never had that many in the core book that I remember!

Quote from: Crüesader;901598They're great hats for a suit that matches it.  The majority of people who wear fedoras couldn't afford a suit if they saved for a year.

I can respecr strong opinions on fashion.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;901653Doesn't mean it's not accurate.  I've looked over the charm list, that's just NUTS.  1e never had that many in the core book that I remember!

No kidding. There's 700+ IIRC and there's probably going to comparable lists in the other hard backs. More annoying is how so many of the boil down to fancy dice tricks (some that interact in other rolls, trigger re rolls, etc.).

Quote from: Nexus;901663No kidding. There's 700+ IIRC and there's probably going to comparable lists in the other hard backs. More annoying is how so many of the boil down to fancy dice tricks (some that interact in other rolls, trigger re rolls, etc.).

No offense, Nexus, I don't actually care what they do, what I care is the sheer amount of them.  And as GM, as long as I don't want to handwave the entire system away, I have to know ALL of them???  And how they interact with each other?

I stand by my statement:  Exalted actively hates the GM.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;901665No offense, Nexus, I don't actually care what they do, what I care is the sheer amount of them.  And as GM, as long as I don't want to handwave the entire system away, I have to know ALL of them???  And how they interact with each other?

I stand by my statement:  Exalted actively hates the GM.

Huh? I was agreeing with you that there are too many of them. The fact they're also really fiddly just makes aggravates that issue. It was a massive pain in the ass when I tried running test combats so I can't imagine running a full game would be much better. I don't mind crunchy games but Ex3 feels llike complexity for complexity's sake.

Quote from: Nexus;901669Huh? I was agreeing with you that there are too many of them. The fact they're also really fiddly just makes aggravates that issue. It was a massive pain in the ass when I tried running test combats so I can't imagine running a full game would be much better. I don't mind crunchy games but Ex3 feels llike complexity for complexity's sake.

Sorry, I meant, to curtail some rebuttal (from AsenRG) about how most of them don't actually matter because that they're rerolls or some such.  All that matters is that they have about 650 more than the 1e core book (A bit hyperbolic, but there are at least 5x more.)

Quote from: Christopher Brady;901671Sorry, I meant, to curtail some rebuttal (from AsenRG) about how most of them don't actually matter because that they're rerolls or some such.  All that matters is that they have about 650 more than the 1e core book (A bit hyperbolic, but there are at least 5x more.)

I'm not a fan of exception based design but I prefer that the number of exceptions be kept lean and functional when its employed.

Speaking of Charms, the pdf of Charms that certain level backers were able to commission has been released. Some folks are a little put out that they're not getting a copy for backing the KS like they thought. But shows they know their audience (at least the one that decided to focus on in this edition). They want even more of them and are willing to buy for them.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;901653Doesn't mean it's not accurate.  I've looked over the charm list, that's just NUTS.  1e never had that many in the core book that I remember!

Thank you, master of the obvious! I'm sure somebody might have been thinking they had equal amounts of crunch, despite the Ex1 corebook having about half the pagecount of the Ex3. Good you were here to disprove that erroneous opinion:D!

In other words, they couldn't have put as many even if they were actively trying! Exalted 1 is 351 pages. The charms and sorcery in Exalted 3 are over 250 pages, and if we include the description of the core system and sub-systems, it's 364 pages.
Of course there would be more system material in it, when the system parts of one corebook are longer than the entirety of the other corebook!

Quote from: Christopher Brady;901671Sorry, I meant, to curtail some rebuttal (from AsenRG) about how most of them don't actually matter because that they're rerolls or some such.  All that matters is that they have about 650 more than the 1e core book (A bit hyperbolic, but there are at least 5x more.)

You obviously can't predict what I'd say, CB. Better not to try:).
Also, the charms don't matter to the GM, unless the GM wants them to matter:p. Unless you're trying to go insane, the NPCs should be able to do whatever you want them to do; that was true in 2e, and it's just as true in 3e, IME.

Quote from: Nexus;901674I'm not a fan of exception based design but I prefer that the number of exceptions be kept lean and functional when its employed.

Is that a way to say, Exalted has only been more and more disappointing for you with every book they published;)?

Quote from: AsenRG;901702Is that a way to say, Exalted has only been more and more disappointing for you with every book they published;)?

Hope springs eternal. Or maybe there's just no sucker like an all day sucker but considering that the "Throw more mechanics at it!" approached didn't work out so well with 2nd or 2.5 there were allot of folks hoping that they'd dial it back for this edition or at least stay the same not fucking double down. But it was the "Ink Monkeys" largely in charge so, no, it wasn't a huge surprise just a disappointment. (YMMV and all that).

Quote from: Nexus;901705Hope springs eternal. Or maybe there's just no sucker like an all day sucker but considering that the "Throw more mechanics at it!" approached didn't work out so well with 2nd or 2.5 there were allot of folks hoping that they'd dial it back for this edition or at least stay the same not fucking double down. But it was the "Ink Monkeys" largely in charge so, no, it wasn't a huge surprise just a disappointment. (YMMV and all that).

Honestly, what I'd recommend you in this case would be to play Burn Legend:p. Yes, it doesn't have much social mechanics, but do you even need them?
And, of course, Godbound should be able to do what you wanted Ex3 to do, or a host of other games;).