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Exalted 3 - What the hell?

Started by DisgruntleFairy, February 24, 2014, 01:51:28 AM

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DisgruntleFairy

#255
May 06, 2014, 08:20:04 PM
Quote from: Starglyte;747277The original date was December of 2012.

I fell off the Exalted bandwagon sometime last year. I remember being really excited for first edition(even bought both the limited edition and normal core book) and was doubly excited when 2nd edition was announced. Now the only time I notice 3rd edition is when these threads pop up or I get a backer's update. meh

I'm really only counting from the Kickstarter's stated release date. :)

Nexus

#256
May 06, 2014, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: Warthur;747199Hasn't one of the main developers been gravely ill of late and posting "maybe I am going to die and Exalted will be my tombstone"-type stuff? That'll put a delay on any development process.

I thought that was a relatively recent development?

Quote from: Axiomatic;747215He's better now. He had a huge THING growing on his neck, but it is getting smaller and he can rotate his head again.

Well, that's good to hear. I don't bear the man any personal ill will. Hopefully, he'll have a swift recovery.

Quote from: Snowman0147;747285Yeah I thought the whole point of third edition was to streamlined the game to make it easier to play.  Just what in the hell are they doing.

I'm a bit puzzled by all the talk of complexity too. I thought simplification was one of the big goals for 3rd. It doesn't matter so much for me. I'm good with complicated system IF they work as promised. But I suspect more than a few fans are going to be disappointed if its as complex as it sounds.

On a different note, there was one thing mentioned in the Q and A thread. "Momentum" can be used to fuel charms. I hadn't heard that before. I am curious who that will work with Essence and does that mean that like Essence, momentum is an in setting concept?
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Skywalker

#257
May 06, 2014, 08:54:29 PM
Looking at the Scroll of Errata, which the Ex3 developers were instrumental to, I would expect the system in Ex3 to be more streamlined but not simpler. In fact, I suspect that there will be even more mechanical focus in 3e than with previous editions with an expectation that any mechanic found therein is used exactly as stated. In comparison, swathes of Ex2 mechanics sucked, but could be promptly ignored.

James Gillen

#258
May 06, 2014, 11:46:26 PM
Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;747170After all the fact its taken them 7 months longer than expected doesn't exactly suggest that it will be a terribly accessible game. It suggests its going to be a overly complex fucking nightmare.

This being Exalted, that may be a selling point to some people.

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Omega

#259
May 07, 2014, 12:47:01 AM
Quote from: BarefootGaijin;732814Reasons not to back kickstarters. It might work for some, but damned if I am throwing money at things like that.

You've obviously never dealt with FFG at their... er... best.

DisgruntleFairy

#260
May 07, 2014, 04:34:19 AM Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 04:36:34 AM by DisgruntleFairy
Quote from: James Gillen;747330This being Exalted, that may be a selling point to some people.

JG

Ugh, I fear you maybe right.

Nexus

#261
May 07, 2014, 06:13:30 AM
While interesting, this Momentum thing seems like a bitch kitty to keep track of. Especially since you have: Essence, Willpower, etc to track per character and for NPCs and it sounds like it changes allot during combat. Hopefully its' not as difficult as it sounds but the "tick" thing used to lose me so I'm concerned.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Nexus

#262
May 07, 2014, 07:11:18 AM
QuoteIn theory, sure. However, I suspect there are a lot of elements of this game that are going to be unfriendly to traditional automated dice rollers and other RP programs. This is the downside to the devs playing with weird new mechanics, especially with Charms- there isn't really anything that exists right now that can fully handle all the weird quirks of the system. For example, my group likes to use RPoL, but we've had to mostly refrain from using it for anything besides chat after our ST spent hours trying to figure out macros that could handle the weird shit (I think some people might remember the Sail Charm that was spoiled that let you selectively reroll certain dice results- that's a good reference point for some of the more screwy mechanics involved in 3e's Charms).

That doesn't bode well for me. I don't like Exception based mechanics. That was a stumbling block in Exalted for our group. Almost every charm was its own little packet of rules to memorize. One thing 2ed improved on somewhat was more standardization in Charms, but apparently more people found that boring. I hope 3rd hasn't made the charms even more diverse and more difficult to memorize.
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Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Kiero

#263
May 07, 2014, 08:07:37 AM
Quote from: Nexus;747365That doesn't bode well for me. I don't like Exception based mechanics. That was a stumbling block in Exalted for our group. Almost every charm was its own little packet of rules to memorize. One thing 2ed improved on somewhat was more standardization in Charms, but apparently more people found that boring. I hope 3rd hasn't made the charms even more diverse and more difficult to memorize.

I think exception-based mechanics are bad design; they needlessly drive up complexity just because some people think it "feels" nice.
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Nexus

#264
May 07, 2014, 08:22:19 AM
Quote from: Kiero;747375I think exception-based mechanics are bad design; they needlessly drive up complexity just because some people think it "feels" nice.

Agreed. But the objection to using a more effects based rule set was pretty strong whenever it came up so, here we are. I feel that trying to balance dozens of different little rules packets and how they interacted across years of time and several different writers (a few of which seemed to have totally different ideas of balance and the intent behind the rules) contributed a great deal to the mechanical train wrecks in the earlier editions. I'm willing to see if the developers can pull it off this time but, OTOH, I'm not holding my breath.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Axiomatic

#265
May 07, 2014, 08:30:51 AM
Quote from: Snowman0147;747228He should had fucking quit and focus on recovery.  Seriously anyone who puts his life in line over a role playing game is a fucking idiot.  I don't care if I have to wait even longer for game because a writer had to quit.  Real life before gaming people.

He couldn't afford to go to the doctor and basically resigned himself to dying. Yes, he was a bit insane. People eventually managed to convince him to go anyway and he got enough money from the internet to, you know, afford medicine.

America has an insane healthcare system.
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#266
May 07, 2014, 09:20:08 AM
Quote from: Axiomatic;747379He couldn't afford to go to the doctor and basically resigned himself to dying. Yes, he was a bit insane. People eventually managed to convince him to go anyway and he got enough money from the internet to, you know, afford medicine.

America has an insane healthcare system.
Not insane.  It does exactly what it's meant to do: cull the masses that can no longer justify their existence, through the mechanism of forbidding medical care to those unable to pay for access to it.  It's a system mean to keep those who are intended to be human resources, and nothing more, in line as well as under budget.

J.L. Duncan

#267
May 07, 2014, 10:17:02 AM
Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;732805I mean if your contractor did that you would flip the fuck out.

Unfortunately, contractors do this all the time-and people do flip the fuck out.

In regards to Kickstarter projects, being late seems to be the norm. Glad you feel better and welcome to the boards.

http://smallbusinessinfomation.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/most-kickstarter-projects-fail-to-deliver-on-time/

Axiomatic

#268
May 07, 2014, 10:27:08 AM
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;747383Not insane.  It does exactly what it's meant to do: cull the masses that can no longer justify their existence, through the mechanism of forbidding medical care to those unable to pay for access to it.  It's a system mean to keep those who are intended to be human resources, and nothing more, in line as well as under budget.
Well, thank god you have that instead of Death Panels.

Anyway, if you're interested in more, here is the relevant post:
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?707989-Exalted-3e-developer-seeks-help-with-medical-bills&p=17835580#post17835580
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O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

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#269
May 07, 2014, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: Starglyte;747277The original date was December of 2012.

It's funny that the difference between Ex3 and say, Far West, at least for me, is that I've actually seen rule excerpts for Far West.
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