Quote from: Starglyte;898105If I recall correctly, and this was many years ago so I can be wrong, the Midnight Lady was based on a former girlfriend of one of the authors. I don't remember what site or thread that information came from. Maybe the old White Wolf forums or an old rpg.net thread.

Edit: Found the link:

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?516948-Exalted-Scroll-of-Exalts&p=12237645#post12237645

Thank you!

I vaguely recalled that but I couldn't find a link so I thought I might have conflated the whole thing from the context of the background. To me that just makes it more amazing there wasn't more of stink raised about it. People lost their shit more over the use of the word "ravish" in an Abyssal charm's fluff.

What a asshole.

EDIT:  The guy who made that character is who I meant.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;897861In some MMO's it's a bannable offense.  You lose all access to all the money you potentially sunk into it.

...I guess that might be an issue for people that play MMOs, don't know.

Quote from: Jetstream;897880That's got plenty to do with why an MMO might care about it, not why anyone on this forum could possibly care about it.

Yeah:).

Quote from: Crüesader;897881"Wrong people" - social lepers, known degenerates, pedos, etc.  

Not 'wrong' in the sense of the forum, 'wrong' in the game community there.

Not that I agree with all those cases, of course.  Just giving you the frame of the community there.

Thank you for the explanation;).

Quote from: Crüesader;897994Back on track:

I'm looking through some things on Exalted 3e.  It's starting to look like they toned it down to become 'D&D but not'.  It's apparently lacking the epic scale of the former editions, if I'm reading this correctly.  Anyone confirm?

Not...really? Not that I have noticed, if you prefer.
It's more like "Celestials and Dragon-Blooded are closer in power". Which actually just means that DBs are tougher.

Quote from: Nexus;898005So I get an ever so passive aggressive implication from Stephen Lea Shepherd that I'm "making a bid deal out of something"and I guess derailing the thread by talking about... reading Exalted 3rd in the WIR Exalted 3rd bv posting literally "Oh, that's different." about a revealed detail.

But "Silvercatmoonpaw" whines about the setting not being egalitarian enough and he'd introduce mass produced Exalts to make it "fair" and that discussion goes on for a page with not a peep from Stephen Lea Shepherd.

They're not even trying hide it anymore.

Silvercatmoonpaw is a funny guy. And it's almost guaranteed that if I like a setting detail, he hates it.
When we two came to the same conclusions regarding some stuff around Ex3, it was a shock. Not that anyone bothered to listen...

Quote from: Crüesader;898030Here's what baffles me.  Why are so many people from the Outrage Brigade just absolutely glued to Exalted?  It legitimately had a supplement in 2e that was all about sex and such, and featured a sorcery spell that basically got you tentacle-raped by a Neverborn.

It's a setting where the primary empire is inspired by a non-white culture, except matriarchal instead of patriarchal, and LBGT issues were a non-issue.
I have no idea why they'd like it...

Quote from: Snowman0147;898064Not to mention one of the Death Lords is a dominatrix and has connections with the house of rape.

Alternative sexualities are fine in my book.
Said Death Mistress became the favourite toy of one of my players, too;).

Quote from: Nexus;898099To be fair, the sex supplement Scroll of Swallowed Darkness was an April Fool's Joke that the generally act embarrassed about these days. There was however (and maybe still is?) a pretty active part of the fanbase that was pretty into adult material. There was at least one website, some webcomics about it and Rpg.net itself used to have an annual "NC-17" Exalted content (with prizes) where posters submitted entries like a Luna Beloved Kitten (Luna's little girl lover and avid zoophile)and Zenith caste Solar, former shrine maiden from a temple to a Fertility/Phallus God who fought with an giant Oriachilum Dildo shaped grand goremaul named "Violator of Giants" that her 1st Age incarnation used to, lets say distract a Behemoth from its rampaging.It actually generated some amusing stuff. Really the setting's often brazen and non conventional approach to presenting sexuality was originally one of the positive aspect according to the board.  

The pole really hasn't been so far up rpg.net's collective backside for that long. That might have been a bad way to put it...

There still is. Go to any ERP site that's not system/setting specific, and use the search engine. Type "Exalted".

Quote from: Nexus;898100The setting detail that amazes me that, as far as I've seen, no one has ever really made an issue of is the backstory provided for The Midnight Lady in Bloodstained Robes (the 1/2ed Abyssal sig that went bare breasted) in Scroll of Exalted. I'm pretty casual about these things but it was pretty ugly, it read like the author was writing revenge porn about a woman he didn't like in real life, She was a vain, dim witted prostitute that got so riddled with disease she was foul to be around and eventually her fellow prostitutes killed her and threw her body in a sewer which she climbed out of on Exaltation. And even as a Abyssal she was fairly dim and lecherous to the point she'd get distracted by her own highly pornographic anima images.

OK, I haven't read 1e Abyssals, but that was just hilarious:D!

Quote from: Starglyte;898105If I recall correctly, and this was many years ago so I can be wrong, the Midnight Lady was based on a former girlfriend of one of the authors. I don't remember what site or thread that information came from. Maybe the old White Wolf forums or an old rpg.net thread.

Edit: Found the link:

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?516948-Exalted-Scroll-of-Exalts&p=12237645#post12237645

That, however, is pathetically sad.

Quote from: Nexus;898109Thank you!

I vaguely recalled that but I couldn't find a link so I thought I might have conflated the whole thing from the context of the background. To me that just makes it more amazing there wasn't more of stink raised about it. People lost their shit more over the use of the word "ravish" in an Abyssal charm's fluff.

Yes, and it was one of the stupidest reasons to lose their shit. I mean, "ravish" is almost official slang in romance novels...and it doesn't mean what the Outrage Brigade thinks it means. The authors were right on that account, at least.
I can't wait to see what's going to happen when someone in the fluff of a social charm is forced to do something;).

Quote from: AsenRG;898178Said Death Mistress became the favourite toy of one of my players, too;).

I am keep kinda afraid to ask, but how did that happen?

Quote from: Crüesader;898030Here's what baffles me.  Why are so many people from the Outrage Brigade just absolutely glued to Exalted?

Its the group they've chosen to embrace, along with other fringe and supposedly "sophisticated" types, a legacy from White Wolf. but it works very well generally. Making people that probably feel marginalized even ignored feel special, important and smarter is good way to cultivate a very loyal fanbase. It has bitten them in the ass a few times but overall its more often been beneficial.  

As Warboss Squee said, none of this is new. Its practically SOP. Start with a fairly straight forwards, simple concept and pile on more "sophisticated" elements until it, the setting and premise are creaking under the weight, muddle the morality into increasingly muddled, dark to grimdark including a "Surprise, the primary characters are actually the villains!" reveal, heavy handed sociopolitical messages disguised as setting elements. contrived and contradictory setting details excused by "from a certain point of view" rationalizations and vague wiggle words which are also used to explain the bouncing power levels is a high one was promised and inevitably Storyteller can't handle it (See Aberrant). The list goes on.

And its all repeated across the WW games lines to varying degree. So yeah, none of this is new. I pretty much saw this coming when Exalted was released yet like a dementia patient or abused spouse buying promises that "This time it'll be different, baby." I walked right back into it and down the same garden path as before.

Quote from: Snowman0147;898182I am keep kinda afraid to ask, but how did that happen?

They socialcharmfued her into serving them unconditionally, of course;)!

Thank God for Godbound then.

Quote from: AsenRG;898188They socialcharmfued her into serving them unconditionally, of course;)!

I am actually surprised.  In truth I was expecting much worst.

Quote from: AsenRG;898178.
Not...really? Not that I have noticed, if you prefer.
It's more like "Celestials and Dragon-Blooded are closer in power". Which actually just means that DBs are tougher.

They're tougher because Celestials (or at least Solars since they're the only group we have full details on) are weakened. The "power teirs" being narrowed or even ignored has been one of the big flagship changes touted about 3rd edition along with empowering Mortals (I guess the setting more "fair") Combined with setting changes like making Creation larger and increasing the number of Exalts over all it has the effect of lessening the overall impact Exalts have on the setting. It seems entirely intentional and has made the setting feel more liker “D and D” to quite a few, focused on local events and smaller scale. Most of the charms I've seen are even smaller scale and less impressive than before.

Sometimes it seems like the game has been slowly moving towards it original default assumptions (Dragonblooded as the base character type and the game more or less focused on them) since late 1st Edition. Most of the vocal fanbase seems to loathe the Solar Exalted so I guess that's not a big surprise.

QuoteSilvercatmoonpaw is a funny guy. And it's almost guaranteed that if I like a setting detail, he hates it.
When we two came to the same conclusions regarding some stuff around Ex3, it was a shock. Not that anyone bothered to listen...

Funny is not the adjective(s) I'd use but, whatevs, that's what IL is for.

QuoteIt's a setting where the primary empire is inspired by a non-white culture, except matriarchal instead of patriarchal, and LBGT issues were a non-issue.
I have no idea why they'd like it...

I think he has some understandable confusion about why Exalted so often gets a pass for being chockful of "problematic" elements that other games get raked over the coals for including Pathfinder which has acceptance of such topics like alternate sexualities as well. Hell, they've desribed the Realm as more Rome than Imperial China and an analogy for the US.

QuoteThere still is. Go to any ERP site that's not system/setting specific, and use the search engine. Type "Exalted".

Guess they're allot quieter than they used to be but nice to know they haven't ceased to exist.  Shame the Freedom Stone has turned into a ghost town though.

QuoteOK, I haven't read 1e Abyssals, but that was just hilarious:D!

But its the kind of funny that would get any other writer for almost any other line pilloried on rpg.net even if it wasn't driven by a hit piece about a real women. Makes all the outrage some of those guys have shown about Gamergate look a little phony.

QuoteYes, and it was one of the stupidest reasons to lose their shit. I mean, "ravish" is almost official slang in romance novels...and it doesn't mean what the Outrage Brigade thinks it means. The authors were right on that account, at least.
I can't wait to see what's going to happen when someone in the fluff of a social charm is forced to do something;).

Romance Novels are “problematic” too. And no actual women that aren't brainwashed by the Patriarchy read those things and enjoy them. :rolleyes:

But really what can you expect. Cthullutech got lambasted for “The Rapine Storm”. Those first three letters are triggering I guess.

Quote from: Nexus;898184Its the group they've chosen to embrace, along with other fringe and supposedly "sophisticated" types, a legacy from White Wolf. but it works very well generally. Making people that probably feel marginalized even ignored feel special, important and smarter is good way to cultivate a very loyal fanbase. It has bitten them in the ass a few times but overall its more often been beneficial.  

As Warboss Squee said, none of this is new. Its practically SOP. Start with a fairly straight forwards, simple concept and pile on more "sophisticated" elements until it, the setting and premise are creaking under the weight, muddle the morality into increasingly muddled, dark to grimdark including a "Surprise, the primary characters are actually the villains!" reveal, heavy handed sociopolitical messages disguised as setting elements. contrived and contradictory setting details excused by "from a certain point of view" rationalizations and vague wiggle words which are also used to explain the bouncing power levels is a high one was promised and inevitably Storyteller can't handle it (See Aberrant). The list goes on.

And its all repeated across the WW games lines to varying degree. So yeah, none of this is new. I pretty much saw this coming when Exalted was released yet like a dementia patient or abused spouse buying promises that "This time it'll be different, baby." I walked right back into it and down the same garden path as before.

Someone +1 this mofo. He gets me.

Quote from: Snowman0147;898182I am keep kinda afraid to ask, but how did that happen?

Did they ever publish a stat block for her beyond the "Every Solar charm up to Essence 6 in the following abilities, up to Essence 4 in everything else, 10+ dice pools and pile of health levels." style shorthand?

No idea.  Wait isn't she essence 10?

Quote from: Snowman0147;898194I am actually surprised.  In truth I was expecting much worst.

...what is "worse" in that context? I mean, worse than fucking brainwashing?

The player that lead the way just decided that a ghost that's evil in every conventional sense of the world doesn't merit compassion. Charms were custom-prepared, and the situation was manipulated so they would fit;).
I've never seen her using those charms before, or since, unless it was someone the PC passed similar judgement on.

Quote from: Nexus;898197They're tougher because Celestials (or at least Solars since they're the only group we have full details on) are weakened. The "power teirs" being narrowed or even ignored has been one of the big flagship changes touted about 3rd edition along with empowering Mortals (I guess the setting more "fair") Combined with setting changes like making Creation larger and increasing the number of Exalts over all it has the effect of lessening the overall impact Exalts have on the setting. It seems entirely intentional and has made the setting feel more liker “D and D” to quite a few, focused on local events and smaller scale. Most of the charms I've seen are even smaller scale and less impressive than before.

There are weaker charms, but you combine them freely for uber-combos. So no, it's not "like D&D", unless you mean "like playing a 3e Sorcerer".
Empowering Mortals? WTF? They don't even get Terrestrial MAs now!

QuoteSometimes it seems like the game has been slowly moving towards it original default assumptions (Dragonblooded as the base character type and the game more or less focused on them) since late 1st Edition. Most of the vocal fanbase seems to loathe the Solar Exalted so I guess that's not a big surprise.

Haven't noticed anything like that. DBs being tougher is only due to the fact that we made them so, because they were a joke at the end of 2e and we didn't like that.
Though I admit DBs are in a more interesting situation, at least at the beginning.

QuoteFunny is not the adjective(s) I'd use but, whatevs, that's what IL is for.

We react differently - no surprise there.

QuoteI think he has some understandable confusion about why Exalted so often gets a pass for being chockful of "problematic" elements that other games get raked over the coals for including Pathfinder which has acceptance of such topics like alternate sexualities as well. Hell, they've desribed the Realm as more Rome than Imperial China and an analogy for the US.

I was thinking the part about the analogy last night, while reading Ex1, so it's there. But mostly, the answer would be "they're deep in bed with the Outrage Brigade, and they benefit from the reputation of being the first to be both popular and expressly inclusive".

QuoteGuess they're allot quieter than they used to be but nice to know they haven't ceased to exist.  Shame the Freedom Stone has turned into a ghost town though.

Google still shows lots of places. I searched one of them, Exalted seemed...rather popular, shall we say;)!

QuoteBut its the kind of funny that would get any other writer for almost any other line pilloried on rpg.net even if it wasn't driven by a hit piece about a real women. Makes all the outrage some of those guys have shown about Gamergate look a little phony.

Well, at least they guy with the former girlfriend sure doesn't look well in any comparisons.

QuoteRomance Novels are “problematic” too. And no actual women that aren't brainwashed by the Patriarchy read those things and enjoy them. :rolleyes:

I think that's unsupported by what we know of the readership, which makes it a stupid position. And I find stupid positions to be problematic;).

QuoteBut really what can you expect. Cthullutech got lambasted for “The Rapine Storm”. Those first three letters are triggering I guess.

Maybe, I haven't read Cthulhutech.

Quote from: Nexus;898209Did they ever publish a stat block for her beyond the "Every Solar charm up to Essence 6 in the following abilities, up to Essence 4 in everything else, 10+ dice pools and pile of health levels." style shorthand?

Dunno, but that's the one I used when running said game:D!

Quote from: Starglyte;898105If I recall correctly, and this was many years ago so I can be wrong, the Midnight Lady was based on a former girlfriend of one of the authors. I don't remember what site or thread that information came from. Maybe the old White Wolf forums or an old rpg.net thread.

Edit: Found the link:

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?516948-Exalted-Scroll-of-Exalts&p=12237645#post12237645

What's really ironic is that a similar case is how GamerGate got started.

JG

Quote from: Holden;20119758If you are a group of young Solars heading into Lunar country, the wisest default feeling to have about doing so would be "fear."

It really feels like the tone of the game has slowly shifted from making the players feel like their characters are powerful moves and shakers that kick over apple carts and really make a different to making them feel afraid and essentially roping off section of the setting as "No Go" and "Respect their Athoritah!; zones dressed up as "making the setting matter".