Quote from: Jetstream;894362It's also unhelpful to people who want information about a game because whether they've earned it or not, it's still irrational.

What is ill rational?  The guy who hates a company that treats paying customers like shit, or a paying customer who defends a company that treats him like shit?

The game engine is functional. I'd say its proven more functional so far than 2nd. But then again, everyone thought 2ed was wonderful for months before the cracks started to show. And there was no shortage of denial even after they did. Some issues have started to show such as there being no set way to handle Counterattacks and some charms that create them don't explain how they do so or do it in a dubious manner.

Well, thanks to everyone for the information and advice and congratulations to those who backed it and finally got their game.

Quote from: Snowman0147;894377What is ill rational?  The guy who hates a company that treats paying customers like shit, or a paying customer who defends a company that treats him like shit?

What's irrational is thinking that a company cares or did care about individual customers.  Or even their entire customer base passed how much money they get from them.

They do not care, they will not.

A company exists for one purpose: To make money.  And they do that by offering a service or a product.  It would be nice if said product is good and enjoyable, but often it's just enough to get the people to buy it and pay their paychecks and bills.

What's irrational is how some groups of people give enough assumed good will that some companies can coast on it (In the Video Game world, Valve Software and Bethesda Softworks are prime examples  Companies that practically shit on their customers and everyone still loves them for making a certain type of game.)

So both of Snowman and Jetstream are irrational, because they are under the impression that they actually matter to OPP in some fashion.  They never did.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;894252As a fan of the Cypher System I'm eagerly awaiting the God's of the Fall book.

That makes two of us. I'm really curious about how they deal with a divine-level game with the Cypher System rules.

Also, #teamgodbound

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;894286My buddy compared NPC creation/use to FFG's Star Wars (which I love running), however your reply makes me assume the GM needs to use the same level of detail as the players when dealing with Charms and the like. Hmmm...unless they're easy to use (not a lot of rules-exception and bookkeeping) and can be cherry-picked without snapping balance and utility in half, then I think I'll pass.

Not a fan of Ex3, but they did improve the NPC creation rules. Exalts NPC in the book have more compact stat blocks and only a few custom powers. In that regard yes, it's like your friend said, more akin to FFG's Star Wars than Ex2, so a lot less painful to GM than the previous edition.

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Not a fan of Ex3, but they did improve the NPC creation rules. Exalts NPC in the book have more compact stat blocks and only a few custom powers. In that regard yes, it's like your friend said, more akin to FFG's Star Wars than Ex2, so a lot less painful to GM than the previous edition.

I've heard the animal stat blocks are wonky especially if you try to reverse engineer their full sheets as you can some really outrageous values. I'm curious how this is going to effect Lunars.

I said treat.  I didn't say care.  They don't mean the same thing.  

A example would be a restaurant.  A fat person walks in and as a paying customer politely orders a steak dinner.  To treat the customer right the waiter would do the order.  If the waiter cared about the customer he would try to convince the customer to get a healthier meal, or to leave.  Yes in this case caring would mean you might lose a customer.

However on that same token if the waiter treats a customer like shit than the customer should be angry.  Especially if he paid for the restaurant's services.

TL;DR Version:  No kidding OPP doesn't care about me.  You don't need to tell me about it.  I just want people to not buy their products because of their shitty service.

Quote from: Snowman0147;894377What is ill rational?  The guy who hates a company that treats paying customers like shit, or a paying customer who defends a company that treats him like shit?

I've never been treated poorly. You, on the other hand, are free to hate whomever you want. That said, when you say shit that's unsupported by anything factual, I'm gonna call it out.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;894394So both of Snowman and Jetstream are irrational, because they are under the impression that they actually matter to OPP in some fashion.  They never did.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't ascribe motivations to me that I haven't expressed or insinuated. I don't care about OPP in particular. I care about people being given the proper answers to their questions and given the tools necessary to make informed decisions.

I don't think Exalted 3e is amazing. I've got some serious issues with it. But it's not Satan either. I object to Snowman's posts because they suggest that his entire opinion is based entirely upon his distaste for the company, not on actual knowledge of the product.

Quote from: Maese Mateo;894403That makes two of us. I'm really curious about how they deal with a divine-level game with the Cypher System rules.

Do you have the Cypher System book? If so, the power shifts from that manifested in GotF as "divine shifts". If you don't have it, shifts are basically permanent, free levels of Effort. You get 3, I think, at Tier 2 in GotF, then another each Tier. There are also some other divine widgets, but I don't know what they are.

I don't think it'll be at the uber-mega-sexy-fantastic levels of Godbound or Ex3, but as a GM I love the Cypher System, so I'm looking closely at it. I also like the setting.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;894424Do you have the Cypher System book? If so, the power shifts from that manifested in GotF as "divine shifts". If you don't have it, shifts are basically permanent, free levels of Effort. You get 3, I think, at Tier 2 in GotF, then another each Tier. There are also some other divine widgets, but I don't know what they are.

I don't think it'll be at the uber-mega-sexy-fantastic levels of Godbound or Ex3, but as a GM I love the Cypher System, so I'm looking closely at it. I also like the setting.

Yes, I own the Cypher System book (awesome book). Divine Shifts sounds like a clever mechanic to represent the many things a demigod or divinity should be able to accomplish with ease. I hope we get a more complete list than the one we got in the Cypher System book with many options for divine shifts based on domain or something like that.

As for power level compared to GB or Ex, you are probably right, althogh the book's cover looks pretty epic so who knows.

I can't wait to get my nerdy hands on that book.

Quote from: Maese Mateo;894432Yes, I own the Cypher System book (awesome book). Divine Shifts sounds like a clever mechanic to represent the many things a demigod or divinity should be able to accomplish with ease. I hope we get a more complete list than the one we got in the Cypher System book with many options for divine shifts based on domain or something like that.

As for power level compared to GB or Ex, you are probably right, althogh the book's cover looks pretty epic so who knows.

I can't wait to get my nerdy hands on that book.

One thing I learned was that your role has something to do with your divinity (at least, I took it that way). As far as power level, I'm fine if it's not on par with the other two, as long as it feels divine.

We need to discuss it once we have it.

Quote from: Snowman0147;894410TL;DR Version:  No kidding OPP doesn't care about me.  You don't need to tell me about it.  I just want people to not buy their products because of their shitty service.

And again I feel the need to say the arseholes who worked on Ex3 aren't OPP, they're just one of their cells. I know people working on other teams who aren't involved with Exalted, who are perfectly decent people, writing good stuff.

Quote from: Kiero;894498And again I feel the need to say the arseholes who worked on Ex3 aren't OPP, they're just one of their cells. I know people working on other teams who aren't involved with Exalted, who are perfectly decent people, writing good stuff.

That's certainly correct. Neal, for example, is a very nice dude and very open with his development of the new engine for Scion.

My problem is that the big boss of OPP (Rich T) is an asshat as well...easily on par with the Ex3 Devs. So i am extremely reluctant to give OPP any of my money.

A TBP poster (Roadie) has been working on some clarification and expansions for 3rd Edition. Here's a link to the pdf

https://mega.nz/#!7NoQHIaS!zwhZpFERnnY1qT_mrvqOra3TDVbgAia9_ZZ9sMfU5GQ

It amusing to see how the system was "rebuilt from the ground up" and such but now that some people are saying its not worth the effort to learn its "not that different at all" from 2ed...

Quote from: Anglachel;894510That's certainly correct. Neal, for example, is a very nice dude and very open with his development of the new engine for Scion.

Yes, the new Scion team leaves me with a positive impression. Though I'm not sure whether I'm going to back their KS.
Ultimately, this will depend on whether they decide to clean up the BS in the setting:). It's actually almost a worse failure in that regard!
IMO, the only reason few people commented on the setting in the first edition because the system was the first thing they noticed, and the harder one to rectify;). And of course, once you know you're not going to use the game, what's the point to keep explaining why it sucks?