Quote from: Whitewings;893655In Diamond's case it's both. She's unsuited by temperament to women's roles, and she's what we'd call transexual. She also blows a gasket when referred to as a woman despite having a woman's face, a woman's form and a woman's voice, and travelling among people with no reason at all to have ever heard of the Dereth custom. How Diamond qualified for the Eclipse Caste is beyond me.

How Diamond qualified for Exaltation is beyond me.

I don't remember much about the other .sigs. The Dawn is some guy (Valfor?) and has a demonic sword? I think the Zenith is Perfected Soul and she's using religion as part of her quest for power, is/was a Realm collaborator and might be boinking Valfor (thus forming the only het pairing mentioned in the corebook)?

The rest are a blank.

Volfer, Perfect Soul, Shen, Novia Claro, and Prince Diamond are the new sigs. In order.

Quote from: Jetstream;893719Volfer, Perfect Soul, Shen, Novia Claro, and Prince Diamond are the new sigs. In order.

Volfer is an unarmoured  fighter with a demonic sword and a talent for getting people honked off. Perfect Soul is the previous ruler of Jiara, now raising rebellion against the Realm, and Volfer's lover. Shen is skilled in medicine, probably a sorceror, and has a beard. Novia Claro is a thief who mostly operates in the Nexus. Prince Diamond has already been discussed. That's everything the core reveals about them. There's a TV Tropes page that includes them, but I have no idea what the contributors' sources are and Novia Claro is still a complete question mark.

Quote from: Whitewings;893723Volfer is an unarmoured  fighter with a demonic sword and a talent for getting people honked off. Perfect Soul is the previous ruler of Jiara, now raising rebellion against the Realm, and Volfer's lover. Shen is skilled in medicine, probably a sorceror, and has a beard. Novia Claro is a thief who mostly operates in the Nexus. Prince Diamond has already been discussed. That's everything the core reveals about them. There's a TV Tropes page that includes them, but I have no idea what the contributors' sources are and Novia Claro is still a complete question mark.

Thanks, I didn't pay much attention to them as they most just seemed like "kewler" replacements for the older sigs which I actually liked. But I've tepid to cold about new setting material overall.

Quote from: Whitewings;893616They still don't have actual stat block for animals, which is a very serious oversight when two thirds of the Survival Charms are dedicated to enhancing your familiars' Ability ratings.

Also, I do not care whether Diamond wants to be called a man or a woman. I call Diamond a nut. Diamond genuinely believes that she's a guy, on every level including the biological? That's seriously nuts. Diamond thinks of herself as a man, believes she should be a man, and is seeking a way to become a man? That's fine. That's actually pretty cool, and gives a good ongoing plot hook: find someone who can turn her into a guy for a price she's willing to pay. As it stands, Diamond really comes off as a moron.

What I really don't understand why Diamond hasn't sought to transition to male via magic.  If they consider themselves to be a man and hates being referred to as female, there really is no reason for them not to change sex.  Changing your physical sex in Creation is a simple affair magically speaking and it shouldn't be too much of a challenge for a Eclipse caste to find someone trustworthy and capable enough to do it.

Quote from: Marvelous_Metal_Man;893817What I really don't understand why Diamond hasn't sought to transition to male via magic.  If they consider themselves to be a man and hates being referred to as female, there really is no reason for them not to change sex.  Changing your physical sex in Creation is a simple affair magically speaking and it shouldn't be too much of a challenge for a Eclipse caste to find someone trustworthy and capable enough to do it.

Her culture attaches little if any weight to physical sex when determining gender; its totally social. So she doesn't feel she needs a physical change. She IS a man and is happy with her current physical set up. Ar least that's how I understood the explanation at the time. That was a while ago so it may change by the time we learn more details about the character.

Quote from: Nexus;893818Her culture attaches little if any weight to physical sex when determining gender; its totally social. So she doesn't feel she needs a physical change. She IS a man and is happy with her current physical set up. Ar least that's how I understood the explanation at the time. That was a while ago so it may change by the time we learn more details about the character.

Because totally fleshing out the signature characters worked so well the last time.

I'd rather not have any at all, since the writers tend to assign to much to the sigs.  And while yes, you can choose to ignore it, it's kind of hard when it keeps getting referenced, like 2nd did.

Quote from: Nexus;893818Her culture attaches little if any weight to physical sex when determining gender; its totally social. So she doesn't feel she needs a physical change. She IS a man and is happy with her current physical set up. Ar least that's how I understood the explanation at the time. That was a while ago so it may change by the time we learn more details about the character.

I think it's because the dev somehow think that would be "disrespectful" to actual transfolk, having a signature character who's trans and has declined transition because the price was too high and depicting a sex change in Creation as being fairly easy compared to the real world. Basically, so far as I can tell they're tying themselves in knots to avoid "trivializing" a problem which in Creation can be treated relatively trivially compared to the real world.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;893836Because totally fleshing out the signature characters worked so well the last time.

I'd rather not have any at all, since the writers tend to assign to much to the sigs.  And while yes, you can choose to ignore it, it's kind of hard when it keeps getting referenced, like 2nd did.

To tell the truth, I liked the core Solar sigs. They were developed enough to be interesting but not worked as integral to the setting. You could take them or leave and their goals, abilities and achievements were noteworthy but overshadowing so they could make good encounters, allies or even antagonists. Yurgen was a noteworthy exception but he seemed more of an example of what a Solar could accomplish in short order and why their return was a big deal.

So of course, he pissed allot of people off but that's another topic.

The later sigs felt less useful and more typical White Wolf style uber NPCs. It felt like a Dragon Blooded sig wasn't finished until they had a few anathema kills under their belts, more than a few one on one. The others I mostly didn't bother with.

I agree about fleshing out this crop likely ending badly because I don't trust the current Devs to reign in their fascination with their cleverness and creativity too keep these guys from becoming Darlings. Describing Diamond as an "unambiguous good guy" when the idea of PCs being one has been scoffed at doesn't bode well, neither does the fiction bloat in this edition.

Quote from: Whitewings;893848I think it's because the dev somehow think that would be "disrespectful" to actual transfolk, having a signature character who's trans and has declined transition because the price was too high and depicting a sex change in Creation as being fairly easy compared to the real world. Basically, so far as I can tell they're tying themselves in knots to avoid "trivializing" a problem which in Creation can be treated relatively trivially compared to the real world.

Yeah, I was giving the in setting reason as I understood it. Out of setting is probably to avoid offending anyone but making it "easy". They may even be right though its hard to tell what people are going to be offended by these days. Paizo's transgender character who found a relatively easy magical GR didn't seem to rise a stink but there were some complaints about items that caused an unwilling and difficult to reverse sex change being called cursed.

Its manly book, I'll give it that.

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I'm in a bit of a pickle. I have one player that really wants to try Ex3. I loathe it, the rest of the groups runs from dislike to disinterested neutrality. But that one player is really eager (even purchased a copy) and he's a good friend so I'd hate to disappoint him...but I don't want wade into the tome.

Quote from: Nexus;894092I'm in a bit of a pickle. I have one player that really wants to try Ex3. I loathe it, the rest of the groups runs from dislike to disinterested neutrality. But that one player is really eager (even purchased a copy) and he's a good friend so I'd hate to disappoint him...but I don't want wade into the tome.

Try it with Heroic Mortals:).

Quote from: Nexus;894092I'm in a bit of a pickle. I have one player that really wants to try Ex3. I loathe it, the rest of the groups runs from dislike to disinterested neutrality. But that one player is really eager (even purchased a copy) and he's a good friend so I'd hate to disappoint him...but I don't want wade into the tome.

Perhaps I can help a bit. I have the PDF, and I have no trouble with going through it. I already am, in fact.

Quote from: AsenRG;894102Try it with Heroic Mortals:).

I have zero interest in playing Exalted without Exalted. AFAIC, that's the point of the game especially playing Solar Exalted (I couldn't care less about the others but allot of people like them). If I want a game about mortals in a grimdark fantasy world there's countless better games for that.

And even in that case I still loathe the system. Its like the Devs somehow learned everything I dislike in rpgs and decided to use most of them just to screw with me on top of using Storyteller, a set of core rules I could only tolerate at best.