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Exalted 3 - What the hell?

Started by DisgruntleFairy, February 24, 2014, 01:51:28 AM

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Nexus

Quote from: Christopher Brady;893334For me, it just blows my mind that this mess of a character is meant to be a successful diplomat.  Anger management issues don't really work well, when you have to compromise a weapons deal....

Yep, that's another aspect of the Writer's Darling nature of the character. She's apparently great at a job she seems pretty unsuited for. Maybe the final actual write comes across better.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

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Rincewind1

I didn't know Exalted had a character based on TBP moderator.
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

Nexus

Quote from: Glamourweaver;20018198Were there ever any other Morke blog posts going in depth on the new signature characters?  I remember the Prince Diamond one and the Perfect Soul one (where we learned the Prince is the unambiguous good guy of the new set, while Perfect Soul is the queen of real-politik, a former Realm collaborator manipulating religious prophesy toward her own ends), but did the other 3 ever get posts?

Gee, and I thought Exalted was too mature, deep and realistically based on Epic classical mythology to have unambiguous good guys.... :rolleyes:
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

James Gillen

Quote from: Skywalker;893147

Oh, that IS good.

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Snowman0147

Heavy metal album cover good.  It just screams epic.  Hell I get a Dark Souls vibe and that is always good.

One Horse Town

That guy who got his hands on the seat is haunting that throne. You don't get so close and die without lingering as a spirit of some sort. So close! :)

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OHT's post makes me realize how freaking huge this throne is ! And hell yeah, at least a dozen spirits haunt it !
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Nexus

This is a good example of why I don't like abstract movement systems.

Quote from: Zeea;20019462I think that would have been helpful, but I did my own little study just now. There's a lot of contradicting stuff, and the whole "shouting distance ends at Medium Range" thing is complicated, but I'm going to go with the lower end estimates for ranges to match the implied vertical distance of jumping charms and the practical ranges of thrown and archery weapons.

Short Range is maybe a couple stories high, or a short charge that still gives you time to attack in a 3-6 second round, so let's go with 5 yards or a little more.

Some brief study suggested that a pilum had an effective range of about 30 yards, and that's a Medium Range throwing weapon, so let's go for that as Medium Range.

Modern longbows have an effective range of 180 meters, and English longbows had a sustained combat effective range of about 180 paces according to Wikipedia. That also fits with our pattern of multiplying things by 6 each increment, so lets go with 180 yards. Conveniently, that's probably beyond practical shouting-in-combat-and-being-understood distance, which fits Exalted's definition.

Extreme range is beyond mortal capability for distance, and the long medieval English longbow target shot was 360 yards or so, according to Wikipedia, so it has to be more than that. Also, Exalted says you can barely see people at this distance. Let's just keep up our multiplier and go with 180x6, then just round it to a nice even 1000 yards.

Now, theoretically, this means someone can run about half a mile 1000 yards in 12 seconds, but rounds are abstract units of time and explicitly longer for some combats. I think the time for two parties to close from extreme to long range is easily covered by "that first round takes longer," and the weirdness of certain rare "move four times in one fight" situations is acceptable in exchange for an abstract combat system.

Anyway! A charm that lets you move 3 range increments per round out of combat? That's multiplying your speed by 36, using our distance rules. So take typical human marching speeds (25 miles per eight hours is apparently a good benchmark expectation) and multiply by 36. That's 900 miles, assuming good conditions. The EX3 map has measurements given, so...yeah. You can move pretty damn fast across that map if you've got an ability that lets you do that. That also feels about right for me for what a supernatural badass should be able to accomplish.

You have to go through hoops like the above to determine more exact measurements when you need them. Of course at least some of that could have been avoided with a chart containing the movement rates for various effects.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Whitewings

They still don't have actual stat block for animals, which is a very serious oversight when two thirds of the Survival Charms are dedicated to enhancing your familiars' Ability ratings.

Also, I do not care whether Diamond wants to be called a man or a woman. I call Diamond a nut. Diamond genuinely believes that she's a guy, on every level including the biological? That's seriously nuts. Diamond thinks of herself as a man, believes she should be a man, and is seeking a way to become a man? That's fine. That's actually pretty cool, and gives a good ongoing plot hook: find someone who can turn her into a guy for a price she's willing to pay. As it stands, Diamond really comes off as a moron.

Nexus

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Quote from: Whitewings;893616They still don't have actual stat block for animals, which is a very serious oversight when two thirds of the Survival Charms are dedicated to enhancing your familiars' Ability ratings.

Also, I do not care whether Diamond wants to be called a man or a woman. I call Diamond a nut. Diamond genuinely believes that she's a guy, on every level including the biological? That's seriously nuts. Diamond thinks of herself as a man, believes she should be a man, and is seeking a way to become a man? That's fine. That's actually pretty cool, and gives a good ongoing plot hook: find someone who can turn her into a guy for a price she's willing to pay. As it stands, Diamond really comes off as a moron.

I hadn't heard that she believes she is physically male but yeah that would definitely be delusional. I do recall of developer discussion Prince Diamond isn't looking for a way to literally transform herself (Transition?) and probably wouldn't be interested if offered the chance.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Whitewings

Quote from: Nexus;893618I hadn't heard that she believes she is physically male but yeah that would definitely be delusional. I do recall of developer discussion Prince Diamond isn't looking for a way to literally transform herself (Transition?) and probably wouldn't be interested if offered the chance.

At the least, Diamond believes that physiology is completely irrelevant to being a guy, which indicates very major cognitive dissonance. No matter how I look at it, Diamond is seriously wrong in the head.

Nexus

Quote from: Whitewings;893630At the least, Diamond believes that physiology is completely irrelevant to being a guy, which indicates very major cognitive dissonance. No matter how I look at it, Diamond is seriously wrong in the head.

That is an outlook I've seen advocated in the real world in a few circles so I'm not really surprised to see it reflected in an OP/WW product.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Millenium

I don't understand how they got away with that Dereth thing. Prince Diamond wants to do shit, being a woman she is not allowed to by her sexist culture so she becomes a man. Boom bada bing, transsexuality as internalized misogyny. Do they just ban people who point out how problematically toxic this is or is the rpg.net crowd too stupid to notice such an obvious gloss?

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Quote from: Millenium;893644I don't understand how they got away with that Dereth thing. Prince Diamond wants to do shit, being a woman she is not allowed to by her sexist culture so she becomes a man. Boom bada bing, transsexuality as internalized misogyny. Do they just ban people who point out how problematically toxic this is or is the rpg.net crowd too stupid to notice such an obvious gloss?

They did change the custom a bit. Dereth used to have to wear gray veils, male or female (veils being common attire for men in the overall culture. Men should be known and judged by their deeds and standing not their appearance while women wear sheer dresses that show off their bodies. They may wear gauzy veils too) but now I think Dereth either gender have to gray somewhere on their person or this is no dress requirement after all.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Whitewings

Quote from: Millenium;893644I don't understand how they got away with that Dereth thing. Prince Diamond wants to do shit, being a woman she is not allowed to by her sexist culture so she becomes a man. Boom bada bing, transsexuality as internalized misogyny. Do they just ban people who point out how problematically toxic this is or is the rpg.net crowd too stupid to notice such an obvious gloss?

In Diamond's case it's both. She's unsuited by temperament to women's roles, and she's what we'd call transexual. She also blows a gasket when referred to as a woman despite having a woman's face, a woman's form and a woman's voice, and travelling among people with no reason at all to have ever heard of the Dereth custom. How Diamond qualified for the Eclipse Caste is beyond me.