When you generate a DTRPG at-cost POD coupon, you need to set a minimum price. That minimum price is the higher of either the UK or the US print costs, so as to ensure OBS doesn't actually lose money on your coupon if someone from the more expensive domain orders a book. Because if this, you can sometimes end up making 40 or 50 cents on an "at-cost" coupon when someone from the cheaper domain orders a book. I suspect their language is simply referencing this fact, in that OBS won't let them put the minimum coupon floor any lower than they'll set it.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;889484They lied about the release date.  What's inside the book, twice now, by claiming that the rules will be 'completely different', despite giving backers preview copies.

So yeah, they've lied.  Just because they are incompetent (which is no excuse, given how many Kickstarters they've had now) does not mean they won't lie to save face.  Which if TBP is anything to go by, they do a lot of.

I just don't see how people can defend Onyx Path any more.  They willingly alienated their fan base, they lied countless of times, Beast is really a political game against gamergate which people hated*, they had Kickstarter issues before Exalted, and yet this happen to Exalted any way.

Now where did all that money go?

*:  Shit forgot to type this bit.  Look the reason people are upset isn't because they hate women, but because they don't real world politics in their games.  So how can a person who wants no part in gamergate going to do when you literally shove it into the products.  You already piss off the gamergate crowd, but now your pissing people who want to stay neutral.

Quote from: Snowman0147;889527Beast is really a political game against gamergate

What?

Quote from: SineNomine;889498When you generate a DTRPG at-cost POD coupon, you need to set a minimum price. That minimum price is the higher of either the UK or the US print costs, so as to ensure OBS doesn't actually lose money on your coupon if someone from the more expensive domain orders a book. Because if this, you can sometimes end up making 40 or 50 cents on an "at-cost" coupon when someone from the cheaper domain orders a book. I suspect their language is simply referencing this fact, in that OBS won't let them put the minimum coupon floor any lower than they'll set it.

Interesting information. Thanks for the insight.

I'm pretty sure this is what they tried to say with the "at a discounted price" phrase.

Quote from: AsenRG;889596What?

Yeah it was a big deal when the Kickstarter happen.  They made the heroes (aka the antagonists with no redeeming qualities) into gamergate supporters.  They even gave one hero a fedora, trench coat, and goes around saying mi'lady.  No one liked that.  Not even the SJWs that the book is made for.

Well actually no.  Gamergate had a good chuckle.  This mainly due to how heroes are created.  See when a beast attacks some one and that person survives they can become a hero.  What makes it worst is the example on how that can happen.

Granny beast finds a bully taking Halloween candy from other kids.  Now if you just call the parents congrats your a responsible adult.  Did Granny do that.  Nope!  She stalk the bully to find his house, broke into his home, poison his candy, and when the kid was puking his guts out Granny then chokes the shit out of him.  If the bully, who is just a child, survives that he may grow up into a hero.  Yet the writers want you to feel sorry for Granny and despise the kid because he stole some candy.

Not surprising the SJWs did not like that.  Especially when the beasts are refering to SJWs.  Yes I said it.  The writers intended the beasts to be the special snow flakes of social justice and those dirty heroes as gamergaters.  One problem.  They made the heroes into the good guys with powerful justifications to hunt down beasts.  

Look if you want angels of retribution please read up on The Crow and play the Cat Lady.  They did the proper job on that trope without hating on a consumers right activist group and making themselves look evil.

Quote from: Snowman0147;889634Yeah it was a big deal when the Kickstarter happen.  They made the heroes (aka the antagonists with no redeeming qualities) into gamergate supporters.  They even gave one hero a fedora, trench coat, and goes around saying mi'lady.  No one liked that.  Not even the SJWs that the book is made for.

Well actually no.  Gamergate had a good chuckle.  This mainly due to how heroes are created.  See when a beast attacks some one and that person survives they can become a hero.  What makes it worst is the example on how that can happen.

Granny beast finds a bully taking Halloween candy from other kids.  Now if you just call the parents congrats your a responsible adult.  Did Granny do that.  Nope!  She stalk the bully to find his house, broke into his home, poison his candy, and when the kid was puking his guts out Granny then chokes the shit out of him.  If the bully, who is just a child, survives that he may grow up into a hero.  Yet the writers want you to feel sorry for Granny and despise the kid because he stole some candy.

Not surprising the SJWs did not like that.  Especially when the beasts are refering to SJWs.  Yes I said it.  The writers intended the beasts to be the special snow flakes of social justice and those dirty heroes as gamergaters.  One problem.  They made the heroes into the good guys with powerful justifications to hunt down beasts.  

Look if you want angels of retribution please read up on The Crow and play the Cat Lady.  They did the proper job on that trope without hating on a consumers right activist group and making themselves look evil.

OK, that's officially hilarious, and I expect the next game to be "Hero: The Beast-Slapping"!

Not to be a pill Snowman, because I don't put anything above ideologues on the internet anymore, but pics or it didn't happen.

Well then don't believe me because I don't have the pics.  Though RPG.net did bitch a lot about it so that is the first place to look if your skeptical.

Quote from: Snowman0147;889660Well then don't believe me because I don't have the pics.  Though RPG.net did bitch a lot about it so that is the first place to look if your skeptical.

Wade through Big Purple threads for SJW claptrap? Now you're just being mean.

Here's an article from 1d4 chan that covers some of it if that helps.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Beast:_The_Primordial

Beast the Primordial Teaser thread from TBP. Its HUGE.

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?751112-Beast-the-Primordial-teaser-thread

Quote from: JamesV;889662Wade through Big Purple threads for SJW claptrap? Now you're just being mean.

Your right.  I waded through that purple muck, but tvtropes makes it easier.  Here is the link.

Quote from: JamesV;889657Not to be a pill Snowman, because I don't put anything above ideologues on the internet anymore, but pics or it didn't happen.

There's at least one giant thread on RPG.net (https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?751112-Beast-the-Primordial-teaser-thread) where people looked at the teasers during the Kickstarter and got upset (for a number of reasons, not just the Gamergate comparisons). As for the actual GG reference, you can see it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/388afx/allusion_to_gamergate_in_beast_the_otherkinning/. The part was in the GM section talking about how to handle Heroes and directly referenced "ethics in video game journalism" along with things like vaccines as topics that got people fired up and unreasonable. Such people are examples of how Heroes are supposed to be, so entrenched in their own worlds they can't be reasoned with or possibly see any other alternatives.

People actually got upset for a number of reasons about the game when it was first unveiled. I think they actually cared more that Heroes were more "good" than the Beasts, but the Gamergate stuff certainly didn't help things.

Reading the snip from the Reddit thread, I get the impression that they were alluding to GG in the general sense, how polarized both sides are. On the other hand, I can't discount OP's own opinions on the issue.

Brand, Snowman, thanks for sharing what you found.

not just the teasers but a complete leaked manuscript.

Quote from: Nexus;889665Beast the Primordial Teaser thread from TBP. Its HUGE.

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?751112-Beast-the-Primordial-teaser-thread

"The lack of teaser is a tease.
How meta. "

Quote from: Snowman0147;889668Your right.  I waded through that purple muck, but tvtropes makes it easier.  Here is the link.

That doesn't make it easier at all.  It just reinforces the impression I got from your description, where I can't tell whether "Heroes" is a backhanded insult, "Beast" is supposed to be a description of GamerGaters or their alleged victims, or which side is supposed to be more righteously offended.

JG