Quote from: Snowman0147;889252Oh wow...   Damn RichT.  That is just scum.  I honestly thought it was for the thing people paid money.  Now if I understand this right they have to buy another book to get the discount benefit.  Damn that is ice cold.

It's an at-cost coupon. Of course they have to buy a book to benefit from it. It's not "ice cold." It's a decent gesture that they didn't have to do.

They're giving away a book to all their backers, basically. That doesn't mean Drive-Thru RPG shouldn't get paid for the printing.

Edit; And I hope you're not gonna suggest that OPP should pay for the PoD printing on those books. That'd be ridiculous.

Jetstream how can you even say that with a straight face?  Onyx Path shits in the mouth of every fan they can get.  Especially those that kiss their ass.

Quote from: Snowman0147;889293Jetstream how can you even say that with a straight face?  Onyx Path shits in the mouth of every fan they can get.  Especially those that kiss their ass.

... Yeah, I'm not engaging you if this is an attitude you can take with a straight face.

Yeah Snowman's hate of Onyx Path is a little over the top. Sometimes it's worth taking with a grain of salt...

That being said, Onyx Path is certainly a shadow of what White Wolf once was...and they HAVE alienated a huge portion of their audience, willfully and gleefully (which is why they don't make near the money they used to. You'd think they would have put 2 and 2 together here.)

There are still plenty of Onyx Path Projects I myself an interested and want (Anything that's 20th anniversary more or less)

However, I do believe this coupon is an emergency stop gap competition maneuver in response to Godbound. Let's be real here, it will be a fucking embarrassment to Onyx Path if physical copies of Godbound are in people's hands before Exalted is.

Let's be clear here, OPP is not a single, monolithic entity involving all the same people. It's a collection of cells working on different projects, some of which have no overlaps whatsoever.

Just because the team on Exalted are a bunch of lying, incompetent arseholes, doesn't mean the teams working on other projects are.

Quote from: Orphan81;889303However, I do believe this coupon is an emergency stop gap competition maneuver in response to Godbound. Let's be real here, it will be a fucking embarrassment to Onyx Path if physical copies of Godbound are in people's hands before Exalted is.

Meh. I think the coupon was always planned. It's a standard Kickstarter reward for them these days.

Now if you were to argue that the timing of the announcement was a reaction to Godbound, maybe that'd hold water.

Quote from: Kiero;889306Let's be clear here, OPP is not a single, monolithic entity involving all the same people. It's a collection of cells working on different projects, some of which have no overlaps whatsoever.

Just because the team on Exalted are a bunch of lying, incompetent arseholes, doesn't mean the teams working on other projects are.

True, but it's more than just the Exalted team that's a problem at onyx path these days. Don't get me wrong, there are still a bunch of awesome folks, but some of their writers have taken extremist political views, to the point that even polite disagreement is no longer tolerated.

One need only look at the Beast fiasco to see how it's beginning to actually lower the quality of their products.

Had you seen the cover of the book in the Rpgdrivethru?  It is a big purple mess that screams, "Don't buy me!!!"  Here it is.

Now here is the vampire book.  Look how simple and yet delicate the vampire cover is versa lets shove everything at once in beast.

Quote from: Jetstream;889289I hope you're not gonna suggest that OPP should pay for the PoD printing on those books. That'd be ridiculous.

>_>



opps...

Quote from: Jetstream;889289It's an at-cost coupon.

Is it? Because his exact words again were...

"we will send every backer a link for a discounted version of the PoD, cut to as close to the cost for us to print it as we can get it."

That doesn't sound like an at-cost coupon, does it? Perhaps you have some hard numbers to share which can clear up any misunderstanding.

Quote from: Kiero;889306Let's be clear here, OPP is not a single, monolithic entity involving all the same people. It's a collection of cells working on different projects, some of which have no overlaps whatsoever.

Just because the team on Exalted are a bunch of lying, incompetent arseholes, doesn't mean the teams working on other projects are.

Of course not.

Some of them are hardcore sjws.

Quote from: Kiero;889306Let's be clear here, OPP is not a single, monolithic entity involving all the same people. It's a collection of cells working on different projects, some of which have no overlaps whatsoever.

Just because the team on Exalted are a bunch of lying, incompetent arseholes, doesn't mean the teams working on other projects are.

This is true. But I feel better not supporting any of them by dint of association.

I'd rather save my sheckels for the new White Wolf (and even that is not guaranteed.)

I vote with my cash. Act like a dick and still want me to buy your stuff? Negative ghostrider.

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opps...



Is it? Because his exact words again were...

"we will send every backer a link for a discounted version of the PoD, cut to as close to the cost for us to print it as we can get it."

That doesn't sound like an at-cost coupon, does it? Perhaps you have some hard numbers to share which can clear up any misunderstanding.

They're coupons generated by the DTRPG system. It's hedge-language. They're all the same.

Quote from: Jetstream;889463They're coupons generated by the DTRPG system. It's hedge-language. They're all the same.

Which means what?  Has DTRPG clarified?  Or should we take them up on their word which, let's be honest, hasn't been entirely truthful?

Quote from: Christopher Brady;889464Which means what?  Has DTRPG clarified?  Or should we take them up on their word which, let's be honest, hasn't been entirely truthful?

Do you have any evidence at all that they've lied? Haven't any of you people ever heard the phrase "never assume malice when incompetence is more likely?"

Quote from: Jetstream;889477Do you have any evidence at all that they've lied? Haven't any of you people ever heard the phrase "never assume malice when incompetence is more likely?"

They lied about the release date.  What's inside the book, twice now, by claiming that the rules will be 'completely different', despite giving backers preview copies.

So yeah, they've lied.  Just because they are incompetent (which is no excuse, given how many Kickstarters they've had now) does not mean they won't lie to save face.  Which if TBP is anything to go by, they do a lot of.