Quote from: Maese Mateo;884005I had one positive experience with EX3 too: one day we stopped playing it.

In all seriousnes now: we liked the core engine when we playtested it, it's only when you add the damn bazillon Charms that it becomes super slow and boring for us. If they recycle the core engine for other games with less powers and rule bits it'd be a fine game.

This was my take on it. The charms have gone crazy and taken over any clean flow of character design. Frankly I'd love an Exalted game with fewer charms and more leedway for powers. Godlike seems to be in that middle ground. Not perfect, but worlds better than what I've dealt with so far.

Quote from: Mostlyjoe;884029This was my take on it. The charms have gone crazy and taken over any clean flow of character design.

It definitely appeals to very different spot on the Venn diagram than I occupy. The whole "Your stupid if you expected anything different" crap has gotten really old.

Quote from: Nexus;884088It definitely appeals to very different spot on the Venn diagram than I occupy. The whole "Your stupid if you expected anything different" crap has gotten really old.

Yeah I don't really buy the whole, "It was always meant to play like a CCG" argument. I always looked at is more as "It plays like a fighting game." Sure there are lots of special moves and combos...but nowhere near on the level of a fucking CCG like magic the gathering..

Quote from: Orphan81;884114Yeah I don't really buy the whole, "It was always meant to play like a CCG" argument. I always looked at is more as "It plays like a fighting game." Sure there are lots of special moves and combos...but nowhere near on the level of a fucking CCG like magic the gathering..

When something doesn't work out or turns out differently than originally intended with WW/ST games "It was always meant to be that way, anyone that saw it different is stupid and wrong." is a very typical response, IME.

Quote from: Nexus;884124When something doesn't work out or turns out differently than originally intended with WW/ST games "It was always meant to be that way, anyone that saw it different is stupid and wrong." is a very typical response, IME.

Unironically, just before Exalted, White Wolf  had their Street Fighter RPG and if you look at the power set there you can see a LOT of the logic that eventually went into charms.

Quote from: Mostlyjoe;884442Unironically, just before Exalted, White Wolf  had their Street Fighter RPG and if you look at the power set there you can see a LOT of the logic that eventually went into charms.

I remember liking Street Fighter...

jg

Quote from: James Gillen;884472I remember liking Street Fighter...

jg

It had it's charms. And the core of a custom supper attacks tied to marital arts skills and attributes system. It was like if someone handed you a make your own baseline charm kit and didn't expect you to worry if it was skill, chi, or sci-fi mojo nonsense. If you wanted Y effect you inputted X effort and rolled, have fun! It also had some of most hilariously bad example characters, but that's besides the point.

I've got to dig my book back out. I don't recall any rules for building your own moves (beside the typical "make something up"). I actually liked the example characters in Contenders. They were all over the place but worked for a "fighting game" universe with their their rosters of strange backgrounds and taken individually they were fairly good NPC for a various flavors of games from pulp to martial arts flicks or MA flavored super heroes.

Mechanically, most of example characters were pretty wonky and some of the moves were flat out broken but again nothing new with White Wolf.

Edit: Oh wait. I misread the post. I don't think you were saying there was a design system in the rules My bad!

Edit2: They sort of revisted Street Fighter: The Storytelling game for the "Burn Legend" material in Shards of the Exalted Dream. That and World of Darkness: Combat: The Book of Beating Ass.

Well, Burn Legend had its simplistic charm;).

Quote from: Nexus;884508That and World of Darkness: Combat: The Book of Beating Ass.

The "Big Book of Beating Ass".

WoD Combat was actually a pretty neat book. If you wanted to actually make combat more detailed in your 2nd ed WoD games. It came with a list of maneuvers  which would impose penalties or buffs for accuracy, and then any damage bonus with extra effects.

It also had good discussion material on how each WoD creatures powers could be used more offensively than just the basic ones.

Some of Cwod's "World of Darkness" supplements were pretty damn awesome. From Combat, to the Midnight Circus, to Sorcerer (The revised version of Sorcerer was fucking terrible and was a Mage supplement instead of a generic WoD), Mafia, Demon Hunter X, and Blood Dimmed Tides.

Quote from: Orphan81;884623The "Big Book of Beating Ass".

WoD Combat was actually a pretty neat book. If you wanted to actually make combat more detailed in your 2nd ed WoD games. It came with a list of maneuvers  which would impose penalties or buffs for accuracy, and then any damage bonus with extra effects.

It also had good discussion material on how each WoD creatures powers could be used more offensively than just the basic ones.

Some of Cwod's "World of Darkness" supplements were pretty damn awesome. From Combat, to the Midnight Circus, to Sorcerer (The revised version of Sorcerer was fucking terrible and was a Mage supplement instead of a generic WoD), Mafia, Demon Hunter X, and Blood Dimmed Tides.

I actually loved this book.  Too bad no one wanted to use it.

Quote from: James Gillen;884472I remember liking Street Fighter...

jg

Quote from: Mostlyjoe;884487It had it's charms. And the core of a custom supper attacks tied to marital arts skills and attributes system. It was like if someone handed you a make your own baseline charm kit and didn't expect you to worry if it was skill, chi, or sci-fi mojo nonsense. If you wanted Y effect you inputted X effort and rolled, have fun! It also had some of most hilariously bad example characters, but that's besides the point.

E. Honda's first name: Edmund

Quote from: Nexus;884508Edit: Oh wait. I misread the post. I don't think you were saying there was a design system in the rules My bad!

Edit2: They sort of revisted Street Fighter: The Storytelling game for the "Burn Legend" material in Shards of the Exalted Dream. That and World of Darkness: Combat: The Book of Beating Ass.

Ayup. It wasn't a point buy build you own affair, more a big cafe list of common moves and stuff you could reskin to build you fighting move set. But if you looked at it, it was proto-charms.

I remember the WoD Combat book. Wasn't the martial arts in that book a merit buy system? Reminded me a lot of the direction they took Exalted 3E.

http://theonyxpath.com/there-are-new-ways-to-get-our-stuff-monday-meeting-notes/

Quote from: Nexus;886471http://theonyxpath.com/there-are-new-ways-to-get-our-stuff-monday-meeting-notes/

Quote from: OnyxPathTODAY'S REASON TO DRINK: Mage 20 is shipping and boy is that book big!

They already want to forget about the damn book existence? Wow.