Quote from: The Butcher;883539Are we seriously replicating a "my crapsack world is crappier than your crapsack world" argument from the WW/OP forums?

:popcorn:

"Its more my crapsack worlds isn't a crap sack at all but your? Woo boy..." discussion. So far its not an argument over there no one has said much of anything to counter it.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;883538The self delusion is strong, eh?

Just the Exalted fanbase shitting all over another fantasy game for doing much the same things as Exalted again.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;883542Apparently.

When someone posts something so counter to my experience and knowledge I find it boggling. I explained what the Hell I was talking about with examples because, one I don't know how familiar people are with Exalted's setting and secondly because if I want to make absolutely sure people knew what I meant and why so hopefully spare myself at least a little crap.

I don't know if "we" are replicating anything. But I don't thoi post was hardly any stranger than having a multiple page heated thread over some insane prick's rambling about a decades old module and how it allegedly made him act like an asshole when he ws 12 yrs. old  

Quote from: Nexus;883544Just the Exalted fanbase shitting all over another fantasy game for doing much the same things as Exalted again.

You mean that post wasn't an endorsement:)?

Also, since your argument is pretty much the same, I feel like I should make the same clarification.

Quote from: Nexus;883563(if you're a Solar) or kept well away (if you're practically anyone else). Its a massive gated community of the highest order that's incredibly dangerous to several of the PC types (and really only easily accessible to one).

Again, dangerous, restricted and largely off limits to most (Infernals).

Actually, you can go in either place. Provided you're an Eclipse, Eclipse-equivalent, or you can get one of those to make you part of its "embassy". You'll be safe until and unless someone provokes you to start violence, at which point you forfeit the protection of the ancient oaths.
Of course, there are many ways to make you Limit Break, and demons are almost bound to use them. Sometimes, it might not even be intentional, and sometimes it might be.

QuoteCreation is a dark setting. It might lighten up in 3rd edition but from the bits I've seen so far I wouldn't make any bets. Now none of this is to say that Creation is darker than Godbound, but I don't agree that's not dark or significantly less so then Exalted. Exalted grim "realism" was pushed as a positive over more fanciful "immature" games like D and D.

No discussion on that account, just wanted to mention that there is a workaround to play in those locations;).

And dark settings are pretty much "places where we play the game" anyway. They're not a negative. Also see: the magic deer setting.

Girls, girls! You're both crapsack princesses!

Besides, while all the Godbound love over at RPGnet and WW/OP warms the cockles of our grog hearts, nothing shall deliver as much mirth as the sperglording of the Gaming Den sperglords.

I marveled in particular at their inability to grasp Exalted, even more so than the predictable "OMG trusting GM judgement = MTP" potshots at OSR.

Quote from: The Butcher;883577I marveled in particular at their inability to grasp Exalted, even more so than the predictable "OMG trusting GM judgement = MTP" potshots at OSR.

According to what I read in the thread, some of the posters there have issues with basic logic. Grasping Exalted requires more than basic logic, so the result's not exactly surprising;).

The question is, especially given that it looks like a site for D&D3+ fanatics, why does anyone on this site care about their opinion:D?

Who are they and why should we ca...  Fuck it I am not dignifying them with that question.   They considered Godbound clunky and had issues with attack rolls.  Yes the whole is it equal to, or more than twenty is really hard guys.   Oh wait it isn't simply because I been doing this shit since before I was five and I am mentally disabled.  Seriously if it wasn't for the fact they hate OSR I would wager they have issues with basic things such as going to the bathroom.  Too busy flinging their own feces.

Quote from: The Butcher;883577Girls, girls! You're both crapsack princesses!

Besides, while all the Godbound love over at RPGnet and WW/OP warms the cockles of our grog hearts, nothing shall deliver as much mirth as the sperglording of the Gaming Den sperglords.

Huh. I knew the RPG Site was the place you went to hate on RPG.net. I didn't realized there was yet another site where people went to hate on the RPG Site. The rich ecology of the Internet never fails to amaze me.

Quote from: The Butcher;883577Girls, girls! You're both crapsack princesses!

Besides, while all the Godbound love over at RPGnet and WW/OP warms the cockles of our grog hearts, nothing shall deliver as much mirth as the sperglording of the Gaming Den sperglords.

I marveled in particular at their inability to grasp Exalted, even more so than the predictable "OMG trusting GM judgement = MTP" potshots at OSR.

  After skimming some threads over there, I feel I owe this site an apology for my complaints about hostility and One True Way-ism. TheRPGSite isn't perfect, but it's polite and broad-minded to a fault, compared to what I saw over at the Gaming Den.

Quote from: Baulderstone;883621Huh. I knew the RPG Site was the place you went to hate on RPG.net. I didn't realized there was yet another site where people went to hate on the RPG Site. The rich ecology of the Internet never fails to amaze me.

Hate on the therpgsite?
Purple
Awful
the Den
Storygames.com
anything Kent touches
You have a smorgasbord to choose from.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;883622After skimming some threads over there, I feel I owe this site an apology for my complaints about hostility and One True Way-ism. TheRPGSite isn't perfect, but it's polite and broad-minded to a fault, compared to what I saw over at the Gaming Den.

I know that had to hurt to say. Kudos. :hatsoff:

As annoying as knuckledraggers get, at least they have thumbs.

Quote from: The Butcher;883577Girls, girls! You're both crapsack princesses!

Have I done something to piss you off?

Quote from: The Butcher;883577Girls, girls! You're both crapsack princesses!

That's what I was trying to say (poorly?). Creation is a dark setting. It might lighten up in 3rd edition but from the bits I've seen so far I wouldn't make any bets. Now none of this is to say that Creation is darker than Godbound, but I don't agree that's not dark or significantly less so then Exalted. Exalted grim "realism" was pushed as a positive over more fanciful "immature" games like D and D.

Which one is "darker" boils down to opinion but they're both fairly bleak in their own ways. After years of following Exalted and the fanbase discussion those posts claims really seems to come out of nowhere considering what's been touted (and, to be fair, complained) about the setting in the past.

Quote from: CRKrueger;883625Hate on the therpgsite?
Purple
Awful
the Den
Storygames.com
anything Kent touches
You have a smorgasbord to choose from.

Thanks for laying all that out, but I think I just lost my appetite.

Quote from: Nexus;883660That's what I was trying to say (poorly?).

Seemed clear enough to me that you were saying Godbound was less dark, so I didn't understand those responses to your comment at all.

Quote from: Baulderstone;883621Huh. I knew the RPG Site was the place you went to hate on RPG.net. I didn't realized there was yet another site where people went to hate on the RPG Site. The rich ecology of the Internet never fails to amaze me.

What I find interesting is how things evolved.

Back in the day, RPG.net forums (along with the general orthodoxy) were all like "System Doesn't Matter".

As a reaction to that, the Forge was all "System Does Matter". A lot of RPG.net drank the kool-aid.

As a reaction to that, the OSR and therpgsite were all "OK, System Might Or Might Not Matter, But The Systems The Forge Promote Kind Of Suck For What We Want To Do". Older games were re-examined, OD&D was reread with the assumption that the rules actually have some purpose, good things happened. Opinions on RPG.net diversified enough to improve the quality of conversation on there (at least for the purposes of talking about system.)

The Gaming Den is the group that says "Frank Trollman Matters". Systems which have Frank's approval are boosted there, systems that he dislikes get run down, and most of the regulars seem to be people who genuinely seem to be interested in and like what Trollman is saying.

Who's Frank Trollman?

Quote from: Nexus;883695Who's Frank Trollman?

He's one of the more caustic characters on the Internet roleplaying scene. He did some work years ago with Shadowrun, and he's spent years bitching about how the next Shadowrun editions were absolute garbage (though I haven't heard his stance on the current game) and trading barbs with the people at Catalyst. He was one of the nastier people at rpg.net for years until even they had to ban him a year or so ago when he broke the rules arguing about Werewolf: the Apocalypse and bestiality.

I'm afraid I don't know much more than that. He's one of those people I don't care to know better, honestly, so I'm really glad he doesn't like this site.