Quote from: Simlasa;871457I looked at my copy of 1e and didn't see anything like that... though there's a hint of pretentious twaddle in the intro and afterword. Must be a later printing.

I might have been remembering Riddle of Steel 1e.  That had the anti-D&D blurb, I think.

Quote from: Brand55;819899It makes it a shiny turd. And as the guys behind Cards Against Humanity proved, lots of people will shell out money for feces.

As a wee tangent, I was able to finally play CAH over the holidays. What garbage. So much revolved around childish bits, such as card with Pacman guzzling semen. Really? What's sad is that really clever bits, even if offensive, were often ignored for infantile dick-and-shit jokes. I realize the group, as with anything, has a lot to do with it, but there were far too many times I saw people screwed because they didn't have enough cards about semen, shit, rape, kids with ass cancer, or something about the Holocaust (or whatever other crap was on the "edgey" cards). YMMV, and I don't judge people who play it, but after hearing so much about how great this game was, I was profoundly disappointed.

Which leads me to the complete fail Ex3 is and the near-erection I get watching the Outrage Brigade eat their own over it. After all the arrogant asshattery and lying OPP pulled, I revel in how poorly received their shit-stain of a game is.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;873631As a wee tangent, I was able to finally play CAH over the holidays. What garbage. So much revolved around childish bits, such as card with Pacman guzzling semen. Really? What's sad is that really clever bits, even if offensive, were often ignored for infantile dick-and-shit jokes. I realize the group, as with anything, has a lot to do with it, but there were far too many times I saw people screwed because they didn't have enough cards about semen, shit, rape, kids with ass cancer, or something about the Holocaust (or whatever other crap was on the "edgey" cards). YMMV, and I don't judge people who play it, but after hearing so much about how great this game was, I was profoundly disappointed.

Which leads me to the complete fail Ex3 is and the near-erection I get watching the Outrage Brigade eat their own over it. After all the arrogant asshattery and lying OPP pulled, I revel in how poorly received their shit-stain of a game is.

CAH is absolutely not for everyone as its brand of humor is certainly not universal. But I was actually referring to the time they sold boxes of literal shit (to the tune of $180,000) for Black Friday:

http://time.com/3634443/cards-against-humanity-poop-black-friday/

At least they gave the profits to the charity, but it still amazes me so many people bought the stuff.

And since we're on a tangent, the latest beta for Godbound came out recently. It's apparently going to be a series of products like Stars Without Number now, and there's even going to be Godwalkers to satisfy my craving for mech combat. If I had any doubts it was going to fully replace Exalted for all my demigod-fantasy needs, they've been banished after hearing about all the goodies to come.

Looks like I need to download a beta.  Still sounds like all he needs is tiers of power.  Playable Samuel angels for celestial level and creations of magic for terrestrial.

Quote from: Snowman0147;873661Looks like I need to download a beta.  Still sounds like all he needs is tiers of power.  Playable Samuel angels for celestial level and creations of magic for terrestrial.

Tiers of play will sort of be included. There's going to be a free version of the game (like with SWN) and a deluxe version that includes a bunch of extra goodies. I'll post the list here (from here: https://plus.google.com/+KevinCrawford):

Quote* Themed Godbound, for constructing Godbound types that share thematic elements, whether as paragons of human capability, elemental scions, or mysterious refugees from the celestial engines of causality.
* The True Strifes, mythic martial arts that embody a cosmic conflict. Godbound can master the True Strifes, while mortals can learn the lesser Strifes that serve as pale echoes of their power.
* Cybernetics and clockwork prosthetics for chroming up mortal heroes in campaigns that like that sort of thing.
* Godwalkers, hulking war machines that come in bipedal and vehicle formats. Currently only manufactured by the theotechnical tribes of the Thousand Gods, but ancient ones can be found in storage, or built anew by artificer-Godbound. Includes rules for making and customizing your own godwalkers.
* Mortal PCs, with rules on creating non-Godbound heroes and running campaigns with less blessed protagonists.
* The seven orders of Ancalian knighthood, both as setting flavor and as a worked example of how to create organizations with tiered special perks for members to gain.
* And more stuff as space and vigor allow.

So at the very least it sounds like it will have two tiers with Godbound and mortal levels of play, plus you have to include sorcery and martial arts in there. It's also worked into the factions and kingdom-running system so you can be a Godbound doing all kinds of crazy shenanigans on a regional level or just the mayor of the local village.

And that just might be the biggest draw of the game for me. The fact you actually get help playing a demigod who can make world-altering decisions and affect a kingdom? That's awesome, and it's something that Exalted is sorely lacking.

Okay read the beta.  My only complaint was some of the sorceries.  Gate tier allows you to summon up to 10d6 hd worth of undead which is epic.  Sure most are 1 hd undead, but still that is epic.  My complaint is that the higher tier summon spells are lacking.  I mean summoning clay golems at most is 20 hd worth while the final tier has super golems at 12 hd.  Oh sure the benefits are nice, but army of the dead.

Quote from: Snowman0147;873694Okay read the beta.  My only complaint was some of the sorceries.  Gate tier allows you to summon up to 10d6 hd worth of undead which is epic.  Sure most are 1 hd undead, but still that is epic.  My complaint is that the higher tier summon spells are lacking.  I mean summoning clay golems at most is 20 hd worth while the final tier has super golems at 12 hd.  Oh sure the benefits are nice, but army of the dead.

I'm not sure I agree. All of the different summons have their advantages, but just glancing over them I can see how a character could get up to mischief with any of them. The main thing about that army of the dead is that they'll die very, very quickly when faced with any real opposition and you won't get that many until high level. Whereas having even a few 2 HD golems immune to non-magical attacks or a servitor who is basically a Godbound-lite would be extremely useful.

But that's just my initial thoughts. I haven't read the beta cover-to-cover yet, so I can't say anything concrete about game balance.

Quote from: Brand55;873649CAH is absolutely not for everyone as its brand of humor is certainly not universal. But I was actually referring to the time they sold boxes of literal shit (to the tune of $180,000) for Black Friday:

http://time.com/3634443/cards-against-humanity-poop-black-friday/

At least they gave the profits to the charity, but it still amazes me so many people bought the stuff.

And since we're on a tangent, the latest beta for Godbound came out recently. It's apparently going to be a series of products like Stars Without Number now, and there's even going to be Godwalkers to satisfy my craving for mech combat. If I had any doubts it was going to fully replace Exalted for all my demigod-fantasy needs, they've been banished after hearing about all the goodies to come.

I was not aware of people buying shit. Wow, is that...no. I just want the topic to end.

I got the .012 Godbound beta and skimmed through and loved it. The GM advice section is phenomenal and now there are mechs, too? I'm sold!

Its telling that the, out of the flock of Exalted defenders in the "What turned you off on Exalted?" thread that so far the only person to attract Mod attention was someone saying they were going to use it to complain.

The truth is that, though Cessna is still an admin, he has long since abandoned his admin responsibilities.  All he cares about now is making his own life easier.  That person was banned from that thread because what he had to say would make the Butthurt Brigade cause a stink and make Cessna actually administer the forum where he is an admin.  To prevent that, he ordered the person out of the thread without even bothering to make up a token reason for why he was doing it.

Are they still letting people who work for OPP moderate threads where OPP products are being discussed?

Quote from: yosemitemike;873854The truth is that, though Cessna is still an admin, he has long since abandoned his admin responsibilities.  All he cares about now is making his own life easier.  That person was banned from that thread because what he had to say would make the Butthurt Brigade cause a stink and make Cessna actually administer the forum where he is an admin.  To prevent that, he ordered the person out of the thread without even bothering to make up a token reason for why he was doing it.

Are they still letting people who work for OPP moderate threads where OPP products are being discussed?

Yes, as far as I know though the mod community seems so tight knit it doesn't seem like it would matter much there was a rule against it. It would just be for appearances sake.

You should have noticed that a big defender of the current edition also got chased from the thread;).

Quote from: AsenRG;873917You should have noticed that a big defender of the current edition also got chased from the thread;).

Recently, after several condescending "I'm gonna say what I want!" posts compared to one mildly annoyed one and after attention was called to the peculiar nature of the earlier threadban. So not proof of impartiality, IMO. Maybe more evidence that the mods care more about making their jobs easier and appearances than enforcing even their own vague and arbitrary rules. And that people with the right opinions can push the boundaries further than people guilty of wrong thinking.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;868865I remember when my GM ran the Princess of Nexus adventure I think it's called.  We had on combat specced Dawn, one combat specced Zenith and on Twilight.

The NPC Abbysal in the adventure ripped us a new one, and even against just a few Terestrials we had trouble in general.

Quote from: Efaun;868867Then you probably had "poorly"* built characters, which isn't your fault, because Exalted basically made a science out of the process.

And then Holden posts on the official forum that he wrote 3e with non optimized characters in mind. What a tool.

*Poorly means not adhering to a few specific strategies.

Quote from: yosemitemike;868883I ran a short lived 2e game.  As initial opponents, I made a group of 5 Dragonbloods who showed up to deal with the newly minted Solar PCs.  They were starting characters with very average equipment.  None of them had any of the crazy stuff that the Empire can give their people like Warstriders.  They were just starting Dragonbloods made to fight as a team and take advantage of the synergy in their charms.

An hour later, I had to roll it all back and start the campaign over.  4 of the 5 Solars were dead and the last was running for his life.  The only thing that saved him was that he was a Night caste built to be hard to find.  The Solars were isolated, ganged up on and murdered one after the other.

Quote from: Anglachel;868891You are all doing it wrong....

Count me in as someone who has never had a problem with overpowered Solars...as it just never happened that way at our table. But then again, none of us are total rules-wizards...so i guess we were also doing it wrong.

The other possibility is that a lot of rpg.net Exalted gamers are interpreting the rules wrong (i mean 1e and 2e here).

Be that as it may, the mechanics just were never able to portray what was promised in the fluff. And it very much looks like 3e will also not provide on that promise. Now i know, the easiest way to "defeat" that complaint is to just say "Exalted was neve rmeant for XY bla bla" aka "You are doing it wrong". And no, i am not buying it.

I've heard similar reports from so many people. Frankly, the whole overpowered unstoppable Solars things has mainly been a "thing" on rpg.net. Some on the OPP forums but TBP was always the big center of it. And frankly most of it sounded like white rooming with a good degree of, well, butt hurt involved.

There probably are a couple of busted Solar builds but or some combination of things that adds up to way more than the sum of its parts. But that was true of all the splats (there was a combat Lunar in an arena game that had something like 30 attacks per round with the right combination of charms and form). It was hardly solely the Solar Exalted that were "broken".

Quote from: Michael Gray;868926From what we noticed: One on one a mortal is fucking toast and battlegroups are not quite as deadly as they are made out to be. They mostly seem useful in an Exalt+Battlegroup vs. other Exalts fight to keep the enemy Exalt from building too much initiative. This can also backfire as the enemy Exalt can use them to gain scads of initiative and turn it on the controlling Exalt. My players also had no problem being beacons of light that could be seen for miles around in order to deal with large battlegroups.

Exalt v Exalt combat: The quick antagonists presented are all usually experienced Exalts. Especially as far as DBs are concerned. Even when they aren't I think a combat specced DB vs. a combat specced Solar is going to lose. But not as badly as fluff would lead you to believe.

The two combats I ran were both Abyssal v Solar and bad matchups for the Solar. The first was Abyssal Melee vs. Solar Crane Style MA. The Crane Style Solar lost initiative and so lost most of their cool Crane counterattack shenanigans. He got hurt real bad. The second was Abyssal Stealth and Archery vs. Solar Melee. I played the archer intelligently and the Melee guy got wounded, but the Archer unassed the AO at the earliest opportunity so as not to get sliced up.

I still like the game, and am running a new campaign since one of the players in my previous one decided fantasy anything was poop. We'll see if any major problems end up cropping up in time, I suppose. I like the power level just fine so far.

Thank you for summation. The combat system sounds much more functional in this edition at least though its not my cuppa.

Quote from: Nexus;873937Recently, after several condescending "I'm gonna say what I want!" posts compared to one mildly annoyed one and after attention was called to the peculiar nature of the earlier threadban. So not proof of impartiality, IMO. Maybe more evidence that the mods care more about making their jobs easier and appearances than enforcing even their own vague and arbitrary rules. And that people with the right opinions can push the boundaries further than people guilty of wrong thinking.

I'm not going to speculate on their motives, but since we noted in this thread the earlier threadban, it was only fair to mention this one as well:).