Quote from: yosemitemike;870483I said that I hoped that they would know better not that it was likely.  They probably will pander to these fans which will result in a new edition that serves a very vocal minority who will probably bitch about it endlessly anyway and leaves everyone else cold.  It will probably also leave them with the sort of nasty, self-righteous, zealous fanbase that turns people off.  

I have always though that Exalted had a ton of potential to be great.  That's why I have a 2 foot high stack of Exalted books in the bottom of my closet.  Unfortunately, it is saddled with a system that doesn't work for what it wants to do and a highly vocal minority fanbase that pushes for things they feel very strongly about but most gamers don't care about at all.

Of course,  nothing can possibly prevent you from adapting the setting for a system you do care about. I did that for different systems between the time I swore off 2e and the time when 3e was released. At this point, I'm able to model Exalted after quite a few systems.

Just keep in mind, all systems would add their own flavour, so the hardest thing to achieve is Vanilla Exalted.
Then again, I don't think "Devil-May-Care" Exalted via Savage Worlds is worse,  and "There's a cost to greatness" Exalted via Sorcerer is explicitly modeled after a major theme of the setting,  not to mention the "Wulin Exalted" variants.

Then again, I like the current edition so far.

Quote from: AsenRG;870499Of course,  nothing can possibly prevent you from adapting the setting for a system you do care about.

Nothing except the time involved.  Given that I am running four different games right now, time for this is in short supply.

Quote from: AsenRG;870499Just keep in mind, all systems would add their own flavour, so the hardest thing to achieve is Vanilla Exalted.

Good thing I never mentioned such a thing then.

Quote from: AsenRG;870499Then again, I like the current edition so far.

I don't think it is ever really going to work as long as they keep Storyteller as the system.  Storyteller just doesn't work for high powered games.

Quote from: Ghosthead;19683125At the same time, there is a status quo to the world of Creation. It is a fantasy setting, dominated by proud mighty heroes, arcing inevitably towards tragic fates. Leave it and come back in 1000 years, and you'd still find a place where epic heroes quarrel for love and supremacy, while mortal till the soil, fish and raise herds, albeit probably with a higher level of sophistication to their artefacts, magic and cities.

There is that degree of status quo.

It's not so much a fantasy setting in the inevitable process of being transformed into a modern / industrial / sci fi / supers setting by the heroic PCs. The PCs are there to make a mark *within* the world's genre, not make their mark by revolutionizing the genre.

Quote from: Understandor;19683391If you want an Exalted game with complete and lasting victory, one that can never be taken back or reversed.
Play an Abyssials campaign.

Clink your glasses together as the whole of creations shrieks and rips itself apart, spiraling into the Ever Hungry Maw.
Lets see the genre expectations survive that!

Quote from: Icarium;19683356Yeah, that sounds a lot like 'This is the World of Darkness, Fantasy Style!' ... which is not what you probably want, but what it sounds like.

People are really just now noticing its World of Darkness with a Fantasy coating? It felt that way for years to me. Its whatr I figured it would turn into from day 1. I was more surprised that it was a such relatively slow transformation compared to say, Aberrant (World of Darkness with a superhero coating). And disappointed that I fell for it again. Its how every Storyteller game seems to work out. I know the pattern and I called allot of what happened: the setting was going to get grimmer, PC "movers and shakers" were going to marginalized more and more in favor maintaining the integrity of the setting (and this was going to be touted as a merit). The Solars  in particular and the Exalted as a whole were going to be made "realistic" by having more shit smeared on them with the possible exception of some group that become a vocal favorite among the fans, usually for being "underdogs".

And the ceaseless sneering down at other games and genres...

I reallly can't believe I was such a dumbass to think that this time it might different and stuck with it for so long, am still sticking with it to some extent though my game's setting is highly variant.

Quote from: Nexus;871404People are really just now noticing its World of Darkness with a Fantasy coating? It felt that way for years to me. Its whatr I figured it would turn into from day 1. I was more surprised that it was a such relatively slow transformation compared to say, Aberrant (World of Darkness with a superhero coating). And disappointed that I fell for it again. Its how every Storyteller game seems to work out. I know the pattern and I called allot of what happened: the setting was going to get grimmer, PC "movers and shakers" were going to marginalized more and more in favor maintaining the integrity of the setting (and this was going to be touted as a merit). The Solars  in particular and the Exalted as a whole were going to be made "realistic" by having more shit smeared on them with the possible exception of some group that become a vocal favorite among the fans, usually for being "underdogs".

And the ceaseless sneering down at other games and genres...

I reallly can't believe I was such a dumbass to think that this time it might different and stuck with it for so long, am still sticking with it to some extent though my game's setting is highly variant.

It's always been fantasy oWoD, with all the stupidity that implied.  Hell, it's common knowledge that Exalted was supposed to the the ancient history of the oWoD, the exalt types matching up with the lines of the oWoD.  Except for Solars, whom go from being supposedly all powerful...to Hunters, which got shitty powers from God (I think) with the catch of going batshit insane from said powers.

But let's face it, he two games have a lot in common regardless, when you add the 'Elders that are so much more powerful than you so don't get noticed' and the so very many things that are going to destroy the world that while you deal with one, the other 999 go off and it's game over.

Hell, just tying it to the oWoD guarantees that the default end is not going to be good for anyone.

Quote from: Nexus;871404And the ceaseless sneering down at other games and genres...

Just curious, where does that appear? Exalted's setting seems like such a kitchen sink of borrowings I wouldn't think it had any stones to throw.

Quote from: Simlasa;871430Just curious, where does that appear? Exalted's setting seems like such a kitchen sink of borrowings I wouldn't think it had any stones to throw.

TBP is famous for it's mocking of D&D by claiming that Exalted is somehow 'better' in various forms of pejoratives and language.  And it's also the place that famously ghetto'ed D&D into it's own section.

Quote from: Simlasa;871430Just curious, where does that appear? Exalted's setting seems like such a kitchen sink of borrowings I wouldn't think it had any stones to throw.

In practically any discussion of the game there comes a point (if not several) where one of the staff or fanbase takes pains to shit all over something else, usually D and D but superhero games/comics, action movies and other fantasy have had their turns. Just a day or so ago, there was a little bash fest on superhero comics.

And you're right. It does borrow (or outright steal and co opt) from many sources which makes the sneering all the more hypocritical.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;871432TBP is famous for it's mocking of D&D by claiming that Exalted is somehow 'better' in various forms of pejoratives and language.  And it's also the place that famously ghetto'ed D&D into it's own section.

With the irony being that most of the things that made it different from D and D have toned or done away with. The label "D and D for people that think they're too good for D and D" has never been more apt, IMO.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;871432TBP is famous for it's mocking of D&D by claiming that Exalted is somehow 'better' in various forms of pejoratives and language.  And it's also the place that famously ghetto'ed D&D into it's own section.

Ah, OK... I misread and thought you meant the gamebooks themselves where sneering down at others... which I hadn't noticed in my (limited) reading of them. Its something that always turns me off, when rules authors do that sort of thing.

Quote from: Simlasa;871435Ah, OK... I misread and thought you meant the gamebooks themselves where sneering down at others... which I hadn't noticed in my (limited) reading of them. Its something that always turns me off, when rules authors do that sort of thing.

I think the back blurb of the 1st edition did that, then they realized how tacky and childish it sounded and changed it.

I could also be misremembering.

Quote from: Nexus;871433In practically any discussion of the game there comes a point (if not several) where one of the staff or fanbase takes pains to shit all over something else, usually D and D but superhero games/comics, action movies and other fantasy have had their turns. Just a day or so ago, there was a little bash fest on superhero comics.

And you're right. It does borrow (or outright steal and co opt) from many sources which makes the sneering all the more hypocritical.

The shitting on the superhero genre is even more laughable, when Exalted is blatantly a supers game. Sure everyone is at pains to waffle volumes of bullshit  about how different it is, but it isn't really.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;871437I think the back blurb of the 1st edition did that, then they realized how tacky and childish it sounded and changed it.

I could also be misremembering.

There was the whole "Evolve your game" debacle too.

Quote from: Kiero;871439The shitting on the superhero genre is even more laughable, when Exalted is blatantly a supers game. Sure everyone is at pains to waffle volumes of bullshit  about how different it is, but it isn't really.

Yep. Its only that different if your only conception of a superhero game is based on the original Superfriends.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;871437I think the back blurb of the 1st edition did that, then they realized how tacky and childish it sounded and changed it.

I looked at my copy of 1e and didn't see anything like that... though there's a hint of pretentious twaddle in the intro and afterword. Must be a later printing.

Quote from: Kiero;871439The shitting on the superhero genre is even more laughable, when Exalted is blatantly a supers game. Sure everyone is at pains to waffle volumes of bullshit  about how different it is, but it isn't really.

Its really something the WW/Storyteller games have been doing practically sense their beginning: claiming the alleged intellectual and creative high ground and sneering down at other games and setting from it while doing the same crap their doing. But usually without the added layer of pretension and grimdark.