Quote from: Snowman0147;870236Okay valid point on your part, but your the exception considering you went for both Exalted and Godbound.  I was mainly referring to the rpg.net crowd.  As for what I will say.

"Got my book before you.  Got my book before you.  With no copyright art and not having to wait years to get it."

Only make it more singing.  Point is I want to rub it in so more fans of Exalted will get piss off with the piss poor dev team they have to deal with.  Mainly because they should be angry and not sucking up to them.

Given that the most common activity on RPG.net seems to be discussing who got banned this week, I think the main motivation for still being there is masochism.

JG

Quote from: Snowman0147;870236Okay valid point on your part, but your the exception considering you went for both Exalted and Godbound.

Citation very much needed here. Do you have any data confirming it:)?

Quote from: SineNomine;870237I think Exalted has a really great dev team for giving a particular group of fans exactly what they want. After two heavy-crunch versions of the game, it can't be a big surprise to the fanbase that 3e dials it up to eleven. There are a lot of people who are having a great time with the new combat system and the new charm philosophy, and they're completely justified in enjoying it.

Unsurprisingly, though, this isn't exactly what every fan wants, and there have been some missteps in the launch. I don't think that's much of a surprise with something that's big enough to have thousands of interested fans but too small to afford a professional PR front end. I think 3e is going to provide a lot of fun to a broad segment of players, and I'm hoping Godbound can provide equal entertainment to a similar, partially-overlapping group.

And that professionalism is why Sine Nomine is among my favourite publishers;).

Quote from: SineNomine;870237I think Exalted has a really great dev team for giving a particular group of fans exactly what they want. After two heavy-crunch versions of the game, it can't be a big surprise to the fanbase that 3e dials it up to eleven. There are a lot of people who are having a great time with the new combat system and the new charm philosophy, and they're completely justified in enjoying it.

Unsurprisingly, though, this isn't exactly what every fan wants, and there have been some missteps in the launch. I don't think that's much of a surprise with something that's big enough to have thousands of interested fans but too small to afford a professional PR front end. I think 3e is going to provide a lot of fun to a broad segment of players, and I'm hoping Godbound can provide equal entertainment to a similar, partially-overlapping group.

You promoted your game without bashing on another one. In fact you were positive about it. And not in a condescending "Well, I'm sure that can be fun too. I guess...if you're into that..." way either.

That's professional and classy.

Quote from: Nexus;870310You promoted your game without bashing on another one. In fact you were positive about it. And not in a condescending "Well, I'm sure that can be fun too. I guess...if you're into that..." way either.

That's professional and classy.

It's just one of the many reasons I have no hesitation throwing money Kevin's way when he puts out new stuff.

Once upon a time I loved having hundreds and even thousands of powers and Charms to go through. Being able to pick just the right abilities was great. Then I realized that it was really more trouble than I wanted to mess with. I understand why people like having those options, though, because I used to be one of those people. I just really wish EX3 would have ditched its Storyteller roots. I could have maybe gotten on board even with all the Charms if the basic system was one I liked better.

SineNomine, if you're still watching, is the art in Godbound expected to be entirely color or a mix of color and B&W?

Quote from: Brand55;870330SineNomine, if you're still watching, is the art in Godbound expected to be entirely color or a mix of color and B&W?

Entirely color, with free-for-other-people's-commercial-use being one of the planned stretch goals. I'm trying to block most of it out so that it can be recycled for cover illos for other publishers, because getting a flashy, eye-catching color cover is often one of the biggest expenses for a small publisher. With a little carefulness in art direction, you can use horizontal half-pagers as cover-bar style front illos a la old-school module covers, and you can use vertical half-pagers as vertical bar-style covers, with your text on the other half of the page.

Quote from: Brand55;870330It's just one of the many reasons I have no hesitation throwing money Kevin's way when he puts out new stuff.

Once upon a time I loved having hundreds and even thousands of powers and Charms to go through. Being able to pick just the right abilities was great. Then I realized that it was really more trouble than I wanted to mess with. I understand why people like having those options, though, because I used to be one of those people. I just really wish EX3 would have ditched its Storyteller roots. I could have maybe gotten on board even with all the Charms if the basic system was one I liked better.

I wasn't expecting "Rules Lite" but I admit I wasn't expecting for them to double down on charm bloat and push them into the 4 digit range. The new rules are functional. I'll give them that but I think they're overwrought and needlessly dense and make some assumptions I don't want like combat very much a numbers game, a factor which has always seem to massively favor the Dragonblooded on a setting level when the Solars are allegedly the default protagonists. Just the whole project spun off in directions I didn't like.

Of course I have no citation.  I am basing this on most people who go to rpg.net and those that play exalted that I had personally meet.  Most people have a disdain for D&D mechanics if not disgust.  So going by personal experiences here.

As for my reaction?  That I will explain.  The Exalted devs, especially Holden, had been shits to their customers.  So much so that people been ban for asking basic questions.  Some had been indirectly accused of hating the book even there was nothing to come to that conclusion.  This shitty behavior been going on so much that I can't believe people would kiss up to them.

I just want karma to kick in and do some thing.

Quote from: Snowman0147;870346I just want karma to kick in and do some thing.

This would be a nice sentiment if 'Karma' actually did exist.  Then again, maybe not, imagine if all the bad things in your life happened because somehow you deserved them. That would be a shitty way to experience life, now wouldn't it?

No, the Ex3 crew is not going to keep on trucking as they always have.  It's not 'Karma' that will do them in, it's the incestuous pool of circle-jerking fans that will ostracize and demean and hate anyone that might help the Onyx Path to be successful.

So for me, I hope that OP continue doing what they do, and simply fade away into nothing.

Quote from: SineNomine;870237I think Exalted has a really great dev team for giving a particular group of fans exactly what they want.

The group of fans appears to be the most vocal members of the rpg.net contingent of Exalted fandom. I can't say for certain and they claim their choices are based on extensive feed back but I'm not where they're getting it aside from the usual "Silent Majority" that support so many things online. Especially considering how many fans seem to have been alienated by their choices (but, fairly the unpleasant attitude they received when they voiced concerns, complaints and other issues did not help win them over to the new point of view) I really wonder.

Exalted has too many passionate fans to appeal to all of them equally but still I wonder how narrow their focus is going to be. Like the claim that Solar Exalted are the most popular and commonly played "splat" then instituting some setting changes that seem almost hostile towards them in the material (again mirror allot of rpg.net's attitude).

Reading rpg.net a while back, one would have gotten the idea that everyone had abandoned D&D in favor of hacking Dogs in the Vineyard to do every imaginable sort of game.  Everyone remembers Dogs in the Vineyard, right?  It's the big thing.  I don't really trust the claims of the most vocal rpg.net crowd.  They are not nearly as important or representative as they imagine themselves to be.

Hopefully OPP will know better than to pander to the Exalted Fandumb too much.

Or they could have just made a better Exalted and let it stand on it's own merits without pandering to any one base.

Considering that most (or all of it?) of the dev team are rpg.net guys and half of them even mods, i guess it's safe to say that the hope that we will not get a rpg.net Exalted version was a lost cause from the start.
So pandering is kind of inherent to this particular game.

Depending on what side you land on, this is a big plus or minus. I think that the setting is still a good one with some cool additions to it from the new team. My big problem is and was with the system. And 3e added a new layer of "seriously, that's how you do things?" and "What, that's how you talk to your customers...wow..." with an extra helping of "well, i should be surprised by this...but sadly, i'm not...".

Somebody should consider contacting Paradox and proposing an opening up of the Exalted setting to several contributers, like FASA did for Earthdawn, apparently. I think it would be awesome to see what other systems (and companies) could do with a license to the setting. Considering that there is a big chunk of the fandom that does not like the way 3e is doing things, i am sure there would be interest, and therefore money, in it.

That is actually a great idea.

Quote from: yosemitemike;870424Reading rpg.net a while back, one would have gotten the idea that everyone had abandoned D&D in favor of hacking Dogs in the Vineyard to do every imaginable sort of game.  Everyone remembers Dogs in the Vineyard, right?  It's the big thing.  I don't really trust the claims of the most vocal rpg.net crowd.  They are not nearly as important or representative as they imagine themselves to be.

Hopefully OPP will know better than to pander to the Exalted Fandumb too much.

At this point, i think OPP can't do anything about how much the devs pandered to rpg.net crowd. Or care.

I said that I hoped that they would know better not that it was likely.  They probably will pander to these fans which will result in a new edition that serves a very vocal minority who will probably bitch about it endlessly anyway and leaves everyone else cold.  It will probably also leave them with the sort of nasty, self-righteous, zealous fanbase that turns people off.  

I have always though that Exalted had a ton of potential to be great.  That's why I have a 2 foot high stack of Exalted books in the bottom of my closet.  Unfortunately, it is saddled with a system that doesn't work for what it wants to do and a highly vocal minority fanbase that pushes for things they feel very strongly about but most gamers don't care about at all.