Quote from: Michael Gray;868926This can also backfire as the enemy Exalt can use them to gain scads of initiative and turn it on the controlling Exalt.

Have you seen this actually happen? I ask because this is a tactic I've seen suggested for some time now but the devs and some fans have been screaming for months that it's suicide and completely nonviable.

Quote from: Brand55;868931Have you seen this actually happen? I ask because this is a tactic I've seen suggested for some time now but the devs and some fans have been screaming for months that it's suicide and completely nonviable.

Sort of? It wasn't vs. an Exalt, but there was a pretty boss zombie mammoth solo mixed in with some battlegroups in our campaign and the guy that was really good at killing all the things did just that. Genned up some Initiative from a battlegroup of regular zombies and then used it to whack the mammoth.

It might get iffy with Charms thrown into play. But I can't think of any reason why it SHOULDN'T work, barring weird ideas people have about how the 'story' interacts with the system. Like the whole "Your character will never actually be able to to tell the difference between withering and decisive attacks." thing. Which, anyone who has done ANY fighting knows is bullshit.

All this might be moot after the new White Wolf announcement. They're re-assessing the entirety of Exalted and the "problems" surrounding the current state of the game.

What does that mean?  Did they lost so much money from refunds that they are looking things over?

Quote from: Snowman0147;868943What does that mean?  Did they lost so much money from refunds that they are looking things over?

The issues as I see them:

The original kickstarter was supposed to be fulfilled in Dec. 2013. It is now Dec. 2015. This is due to scrapping EVERYTHING and starting over from scratch very soon after the kickstarter was funded. Some people see this as shady. I'm not necessarily one of them, but I can see why that's a thing. Especially with some of the stretch goals being what they were.

Playtesting went poorly. In that they ended the sort of open playtest and then echo chamber'd the whole thing after someone under NDA leaked a playtest doc. I still will never understand NDAs for RPGs. No one is going to steal your fly new RPG technology. Because there is no fly new RPG technology to steal. Then again, I'm not a lawyer. There may be good reasons. The stated one of "We'll get too much trolling from fans dissatisfied with our work" does not seem to be a good one to me. Anywho, playtesting basically ended. And we all know how well that went with 2E. Which was cited as a reason to playtest this version.

Layout. Oh my gorb the interminable layout process. Also not a professional layout artist. But I know people who are. And they would state their disbelief that the whole layout process took as long as it did. They stated they would fire any layout artist that took that long for any book. We were also told the layout was the best thing since sliced bread. It's OK.

The art. Oh man. The art. Multiple pieces of copyright infringement abound. Some of the art is just plain bad. There are some good pieces, sure. But there was a whole lot of amateur hour there too.

Holden. He, basically, needs to keep his mouth shut. He is not what I would call a good brand ambassador. If I were a company buying a property, I would not want him representing me. Yes, he is a freelancer. But he really hurts the game more than he helps, in regards to social interactions.

RichT. Yeah, he was busy, I'm sure. But communication is key. We went a long time as Kickstarter backers without updates. And sure, some of them were on the Onyx Path forums or website. But, that's not the point. The people that supported the game did not get official updates. And I understand other KS projects from OP are much better about this.

That's just some stuff I saw as problems. I'm sure Paradox has some more issues as well like: How the funding of the KS went. Originally the KS was only about making The Big Gold Monstrosity of Book and doing stretch goals. OP was going to do the book anyways. They made around $650,000 on that KS. Were I Paradox, I would want to know where that money went. Was it spent on the things they said it would be spent on? Etc.

Anyways, that's just my 2 cents. I could be wrong.

Quote from: tenbones;868942All this might be moot after the new White Wolf announcement. They're re-assessing the entirety of Exalted and the "problems" surrounding the current state of the game.

Source? Or is this just you interpreting stuff? AFAIK there was never any question of Exalted 3E going on even with the change in ownership. If this has changed, i would like to see the official statements. Are there any?

Like I said before the dev team of Exalted third edition should had been fired.  Now I hope they pay for their shady activities.

Quote from: Anglachel;868961Source? Or is this just you interpreting stuff? AFAIK there was never any question of Exalted 3E going on even with the change in ownership. If this has changed, i would like to see the official statements. Are there any?

Yeah, last I heard Paradox-White Wolf (ParaWolf?) had given OP the nod to keep chugging along with Exalted.

Parawolf will make an appearance in the next supers game I run.

Quote from: Mostlyjoe;868805Personally, I'd be happy if I had a non-Exalted uber powered fantasy....then I found out Kevin Crawford is working on Godbound, an OSR themed uber power fantasy game.

My prayers might have been answered!

Incidentally, the first piece of preview art for this has been released. You can see it here: https://plus.google.com/+KevinCrawford/posts/hjYpWW3r6fM

I think it's on par with some of the better Exalted art and wouldn't really be out of place in that book. I know it's only one piece, but if the rest of the art is of similar quality then Godbound should at least be the prettiest Sine Nomine book yet. Apart from the cover, of course, which I say has to go to Stars Without Number's free version; Godbound would have to have a truly amazing cover to beat SWN's star field.

Though I must say one of the first things I noted was that the woman was showing some leg. Hopefully that won't have to be blurred out before the final book sees release like a certain other title.

Kevin your giving Exalted too much credit.  Your book would be out long before Exalted happens.  Which if that happens I would be bragging to the Exalted fans who would be hating life.

Quote from: Snowman0147;870208Kevin your giving Exalted too much credit.  Your book would be out long before Exalted happens.  Which if that happens I would be bragging to the Exalted fans who would be hating life.

And what, exactly, are you planning to tell to people like me?
I mean, I like both Exalted and Kevin'Smith books, being a backer of both. I lose nothing, no matter which one comes out first.

Okay valid point on your part, but your the exception considering you went for both Exalted and Godbound.  I was mainly referring to the rpg.net crowd.  As for what I will say.

"Got my book before you.  Got my book before you.  With no copyright art and not having to wait years to get it."

Only make it more singing.  Point is I want to rub it in so more fans of Exalted will get piss off with the piss poor dev team they have to deal with.  Mainly because they should be angry and not sucking up to them.

Quote from: Snowman0147;870236Only make it more singing.  Point is I want to rub it in so more fans of Exalted will get piss off with the piss poor dev team they have to deal with.  Mainly because they should be angry and not sucking up to them.

I think Exalted has a really great dev team for giving a particular group of fans exactly what they want. After two heavy-crunch versions of the game, it can't be a big surprise to the fanbase that 3e dials it up to eleven. There are a lot of people who are having a great time with the new combat system and the new charm philosophy, and they're completely justified in enjoying it.

Unsurprisingly, though, this isn't exactly what every fan wants, and there have been some missteps in the launch. I don't think that's much of a surprise with something that's big enough to have thousands of interested fans but too small to afford a professional PR front end. I think 3e is going to provide a lot of fun to a broad segment of players, and I'm hoping Godbound can provide equal entertainment to a similar, partially-overlapping group.

Allot of the acrimony during EX3 development stemmed from the Devs and other staff being rude, condescending and unduly snarky with people that had either already given them money or who's money they expected to get. Avoiding that doesn't (or at least shouldn't) require any sort of professional PR.

The proliferation of Exalted types feels like it cheapens the concept in much the same way the ability to mass produce superhumans does in supers settings, particularly when combined with the reduced power levels and lessened overall impact on Creation that appears to be a goal in 3rd. That and it comes across as just a ploy to make sure there's a steady stream of more books and laundry lists of charms.