Personally, I'd be happy if I had a non-Exalted uber powered fantasy....then I found out Kevin Crawford is working on Godbound, an OSR themed uber power fantasy game.

My prayers might have been answered!

They should just give up on using Storyteller for high powered games already.  It just doesn't work.  It didn't work for Exalted 1e, 2e or Scion.

Quote from: yosemitemike;868813They should just give up on using Storyteller for high powered games already.  It just doesn't work.  It didn't work for Exalted 1e, 2e or Scion.

Some of us argued it stopped working after Vampire: The Masquerade.  Werewolf definitely broke it over it's knee.

Quote from: yosemitemike;868813They should just give up on using Storyteller for high powered games already.  It just doesn't work.  It didn't work for Exalted 1e, 2e or Scion.

The SOP appears to be try it, find it doesn't work then claim the game was never meant to be high powered and chastise people that were running it that way for "doing it wrong".

Quote from: Nexus;868647The last estimate I saw for the actual full blown release for the third edition was "Several months" a few weeks ago. Has anyone heard anything different?

By full blown release, do you mean the KS books or the POD on DTRPG?

Quote from: Nexus;868826The SOP appears to be try it, find it doesn't work then claim the game was never meant to be high powered and chastise people that were running it that way for "doing it wrong".

I personally think it could work, but it's not the base system that's at fault. It's all the crap that gets hammered onto it that drags it down.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;868734Oh, that post that earned a permaban should be everyone's new sig there. Wow! Such utter fucking tools! I hate that damn site...

*Notices Nexus's new sig, clicks it, reads it*

... Will these petty tyrants ever realize how they feed the very opposition they despise?

Quote from: Skywalker;868834By full blown release, do you mean the KS books or the POD on DTRPG?

The final, publicly available PDF.

Quote from: Nexus;868840The final, publicly available PDF.

Cool. I would guess Mar, DTRPG POD in May, and KS print in Nov.

The topics come around to Exalt power levels again (it always does. For all the sophisticated talk about themes, narrative, blah blah, there's allot of dick measuring in Exated) and that long standing argument about the position of Dragonblooded on the power scale has come up once more.

Having the Dragonblooded by, on a one for one basis by the equivalent of a Celestial/'Solar is a weird idea. Even haing them a margially weaker when, as a group, they're out to bump off most Celestials, they're 10s of thousands of them, they lead the biggest empires in Creation so almost uniformly better equipped and backed than most Celestials and out number them all by around 10 to 1 in a system where combat is total numbers game and its difficult to fight even significantly weaker opponents that out number you (as individuals, its easier if they're glommed into Battle groups but apparently that is verboten when it comes to Exalt and suggesting it really twists panties).

It takes a dangerous, heroic situation and makes it basically pointless.

I don't have any idea how it will work in 3rd with narrowed power levels. The account I've heard differ. In 2nd I never had the Invincible Solars issue and, in fact, had to nerf the published stats before Solar even came close to the hype let and they were never unstoppable juggernauts walking roughshod over everyone with no effort.

Quote from: Nexus;868857The topics come around to Exalt power levels again (it always does. For all the sophisticated talk about themes, narrative, blah blah, there's allot of dick measuring in Exated) and that long standing argument about the position of Dragonblooded on the power scale has come up once more.

Having the Dragonblooded by, on a one for one basis by the equivalent of a Celestial/'Solar is a weird idea. Even haing them a margially weaker when, as a group, they're out to bump off most Celestials, they're 10s of thousands of them, they lead the biggest empires in Creation so almost uniformly better equipped and backed than most Celestials and out number them all by around 10 to 1 in a system where combat is total numbers game and its difficult to fight even significantly weaker opponents that out number you (as individuals, its easier if they're glommed into Battle groups but apparently that is verboten when it comes to Exalt and suggesting it really twists panties).

It takes a dangerous, heroic situation and makes it basically pointless.

I don't have any idea how it will work in 3rd with narrowed power levels. The account I've heard differ. In 2nd I never had the Invincible Solars issue and, in fact, had to nerf the published stats before Solar even came close to the hype let and they were never unstoppable juggernauts walking roughshod over everyone with no effort.

I remember when my GM ran the Princess of Nexus adventure I think it's called.  We had on combat specced Dawn, one combat specced Zenith and on Twilight.

The NPC Abbysal in the adventure ripped us a new one, and even against just a few Terestrials we had trouble in general.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;868865I remember when my GM ran the Princess of Nexus adventure I think it's called.  We had on combat specced Dawn, one combat specced Zenith and on Twilight.

The NPC Abbysal in the adventure ripped us a new one, and even against just a few Terestrials we had trouble in general.

Then you probably had "poorly"* built characters, which isn't your fault, because Exalted basically made a science out of the process.

And then Holden posts on the official forum that he wrote 3e with non optimized characters in mind. What a tool.


*Poorly means not adhering to a few specific strategies.

Quote from: Nexus;868857I don't have any idea how it will work in 3rd with narrowed power levels. The account I've heard differ. In 2nd I never had the Invincible Solars issue and, in fact, had to nerf the published stats before Solar even came close to the hype let and they were never unstoppable juggernauts walking roughshod over everyone with no effort.

I ran a short lived 2e game.  As initial opponents, I made a group of 5 Dragonbloods who showed up to deal with the newly minted Solar PCs.  They were starting characters with very average equipment.  None of them had any of the crazy stuff that the Empire can give their people like Warstriders.  They were just starting Dragonbloods made to fight as a team and take advantage of the synergy in their charms.

An hour later, I had to roll it all back and start the campaign over.  4 of the 5 Solars were dead and the last was running for his life.  The only thing that saved him was that he was a Night caste built to be hard to find.  The Solars were isolated, ganged up on and murdered one after the other.

You are all doing it wrong....

Count me in as someone who has never had a problem with overpowered Solars...as it just never happened that way at our table. But then again, none of us are total rules-wizards...so i guess we were also doing it wrong.

The other possibility is that a lot of rpg.net Exalted gamers are interpreting the rules wrong (i mean 1e and 2e here).

Be that as it may, the mechanics just were never able to portray what was promised in the fluff. And it very much looks like 3e will also not provide on that promise. Now i know, the easiest way to "defeat" that complaint is to just say "Exalted was neve rmeant for XY bla bla" aka "You are doing it wrong". And no, i am not buying it.

@ Nexus - lol to your sig . What the hell??!!?

Quote from: Nexus;868857The topics come around to Exalt power levels again (it always does. For all the sophisticated talk about themes, narrative, blah blah, there's allot of dick measuring in Exated) and that long standing argument about the position of Dragonblooded on the power scale has come up once more.

Having the Dragonblooded by, on a one for one basis by the equivalent of a Celestial/'Solar is a weird idea. Even haing them a margially weaker when, as a group, they're out to bump off most Celestials, they're 10s of thousands of them, they lead the biggest empires in Creation so almost uniformly better equipped and backed than most Celestials and out number them all by around 10 to 1 in a system where combat is total numbers game and its difficult to fight even significantly weaker opponents that out number you (as individuals, its easier if they're glommed into Battle groups but apparently that is verboten when it comes to Exalt and suggesting it really twists panties).

It takes a dangerous, heroic situation and makes it basically pointless.

I don't have any idea how it will work in 3rd with narrowed power levels. The account I've heard differ. In 2nd I never had the Invincible Solars issue and, in fact, had to nerf the published stats before Solar even came close to the hype let and they were never unstoppable juggernauts walking roughshod over everyone with no effort.

From what we noticed: One on one a mortal is fucking toast and battlegroups are not quite as deadly as they are made out to be. They mostly seem useful in an Exalt+Battlegroup vs. other Exalts fight to keep the enemy Exalt from building too much initiative. This can also backfire as the enemy Exalt can use them to gain scads of initiative and turn it on the controlling Exalt. My players also had no problem being beacons of light that could be seen for miles around in order to deal with large battlegroups.

Exalt v Exalt combat: The quick antagonists presented are all usually experienced Exalts. Especially as far as DBs are concerned. Even when they aren't I think a combat specced DB vs. a combat specced Solar is going to lose. But not as badly as fluff would lead you to believe.

The two combats I ran were both Abyssal v Solar and bad matchups for the Solar. The first was Abyssal Melee vs. Solar Crane Style MA. The Crane Style Solar lost initiative and so lost most of their cool Crane counterattack shenanigans. He got hurt real bad. The second was Abyssal Stealth and Archery vs. Solar Melee. I played the archer intelligently and the Melee guy got wounded, but the Archer unassed the AO at the earliest opportunity so as not to get sliced up.

I still like the game, and am running a new campaign since one of the players in my previous one decided fantasy anything was poop. We'll see if any major problems end up cropping up in time, I suppose. I like the power level just fine so far.