Quote from: One Horse Town;863847Other than roll buckets of dice, what the fuck do you do in Exalted anyway?

Actually, the premise of Exalted is pretty cool : you play a Solar Exalted, a returning godling, who once ruled the world (Creation) until they were betrayed by those who should have advice and served them.

The world you returned in is in turmoil : the Scarlett Empress , the ruler of the greatest and most powerfull nation, is missing, and her heirs are starting to fight each other, leaving many important ressources and tasks unattented.

Mysterious conquerors are emerged and olds menaces rises again.

And you don'y have to look for trouble, since you are trouble, your existence marked as an abomination by the propaganda of the main religion of this world.

You will try to escape death, finds a sense to your nex existence and reclaim your birthright as an Solar Exalted.

Quote from: James Gillen;864001It's not THAT complex.

Neither is it NOT complex.

JG

I think the flowchart makes it look more complicated than it is because the creator broke out every single step. I could see it being a good thing for new people. I think the biggest issue with it is the assumption of how charms are declared which isn't clear at all in the book.

Quote from: Ryan L.;864032I think the flowchart makes it look more complicated than it is because the creator broke out every single step. I could see it being a good thing for new people. I think the biggest issue with it is the assumption of how charms are declared which isn't clear at all in the book.

It is clear but it's in an odd place. I'd have to look up where it is after work.

Quote from: yabaziou;864014Actually, the premise of Exalted is pretty cool : you play a Solar Exalted, a returning godling, who once ruled the world (Creation) until they were betrayed by those who should have advice and served them.

The world you returned in is in turmoil : the Scarlett Empress , the ruler of the greatest and most powerfull nation, is missing, and her heirs are starting to fight each other, leaving many important ressources and tasks unattented.

Mysterious conquerors are emerged and olds menaces rises again.

And you don'y have to look for trouble, since you are trouble, your existence marked as an abomination by the propaganda of the main religion of this world.

You will try to escape death, finds a sense to your nex existence and reclaim your birthright as an Solar Exalted.

This premise was why I bought the 1st edition in the first place. I liked the 1st edition in the early days before the supplement bloat and the toxic fans started to emerge from the sewers. The fans and the sometimes hostile communications from the current designers has soured me completely on the whole game line. If I ever will get into the game again I will absolutely stay away from any Exalted threads on the big purple.

Quote from: Ryan L.;864032I think the flowchart makes it look more complicated than it is because the creator broke out every single step. I could see it being a good thing for new people. I think the biggest issue with it is the assumption of how charms are declared which isn't clear at all in the book.

I agree, it is a perfect tool to warn beginners to not bother with the system and go and look for fun elsewhere.
I sincerely hope Paradox puts an end to these shenanigans, excluding the editor from the circle of trust before making huge revisions to the entire document just leaves me speechless.

Quote from: Efaun;864153I agree, it is a perfect tool to warn beginners to not bother with the system and go and look for fun elsewhere.
I sincerely hope Paradox puts an end to these shenanigans, excluding the editor from the circle of trust before making huge revisions to the entire document just leaves me speechless.

I was unaware they did that. I'm not surprised. It seems like the game was developed by some of the most paranoid people with it constantly telling you what you shouldn't allow the PC's to do.

Quote from: nitril;864100This premise was why I bought the 1st edition in the first place. I liked the 1st edition in the early days before the supplement bloat and the toxic fans started to emerge from the sewers. The fans and the sometimes hostile communications from the current designers has soured me completely on the whole game line. If I ever will get into the game again I will absolutely stay away from any Exalted threads on the big purple.

I am actually on the impression that you can have a lot of fun playing only with the 1st edition core book.

Quote from: Ryan L.;864158I was unaware they did that. I'm not surprised. It seems like the game was developed by some of the most paranoid people with it constantly telling you what you shouldn't allow the PC's to do.

That bugs me too. So many of the rules (particularly the "narrative" rules) seem to be focused on making sure you play the game right in the designers' eyes either as player or gm. The BP/XP split, for example, it seems to serve no purpose but punishing people that aren't sufficiently "invested" to search out the newbie traps and make sure you develop your character correctly. I don't really have a dog in that fight though.

The obsessive secrecy surrounding the development was down right paranoid too, IMO. And I think at the end of the day it was too no benefit.

Quote from: yabaziou;864159I am actually on the impression that you can have a lot of fun playing only with the 1st edition core book.

You're correct, not just because of the best presentation of the setting info we ever got but also because before the awful rule bloat the system was at least half serviceable.

However that train has passed and personally I think Godbound is going to prompt a lot of truly embarassing comparisons.

Quote from: AsenRG;863742Alas, then I can conclude you did not read it, or didn't bother to understand it, Anglachel.
Because what I describe is explaining why the two things that are different OOC, are also different IC.


*snip tons of irrelevant blah blah*

I'm sorry, i will no longer engage you as it seems you just have your own definition of things and try to pass them on as "how it is" . I think it is you who should check for reading comprehension.

You can redefine all day long, talk in circles and try to pass off stuff for things it isn't but it will not make it more true than before.
I also don't know why you mix and match the whole time. Nexus was only talking combat, nothing else. And charms are an INTEGRAL part of that. So the "i am not even looking at charms" is BS.

I was just trying to point out that you talked totally past what nexus was complaining about. But i'm done. Just keep living in your own delusions.

Damn...

Quote from: Rich H;19559054EXALTED KICKSTARTER REFUNDS

Looks like these are possible and happening. I received mine last weekend and Kitsune Sidhe has posted on KS saying they've received theirs. Also, the same person posted Richard Thomas' response to their refund request:

"I've been trying to get a process connected solution to refunds from Kickstarter, but there is no way to do it that removes your name from the backers' files, so we'll have to issue you a refund manually and try and catch your pledge before it gets shipped out.

This is because Kickstarter had no provisions for refunds to pledges when we ran this KS, and only now has them in their terms of service as something needing to be sent if the project fails, which EX3 has not.

But since it has failed for you, I'd rather issue you a refund anyway, minus the amount that KS has taken and Onyx Path never received."

So, I'd recommend that anyone who isn't happy with this product keep getting in touch through KS messaging and Twitter in order to get some/majority of their money back.

Quote from: AsenRG;863742\
First, I assumed that this is because of his desire for Maximum Fan Service:D.
Then he explained, somewhere on what would be the 6th page for you*, that it's due to him working on a game like that, Love and Labyrinths.
Obviously it's "not planning to acknowledge there's a male gender". Here's a post from David JP, explaining why. I actually found it when googling the game's name.
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?748172-Calling-David-J-Love-amp-Labyrinths-Inform-Me!&p=19150540#post19150540
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Mengtzu has  been doing this for years not just this example or recently.

And that explanation is just painful. Inverting a discriminatory practice is not an improvement and doesn't even the score. Its SJW "Punch up, not down" bullshit. And I too I'm very curious what these games are that don't mention women at all except on the harlot table or what have you.

Amusingly its alienates gay men and too some degree straight women that might want to play out their romantic fantasy ideal.  Man, I feel old. I remember when a group of guys sitting around pretending to be lesbians was considered creepy. Now its progressive.

Quote from: Nexus;864352Man, I feel old. I remember when a group of guys sitting around pretending to be lesbians was considered creepy. Now its progressive.

You and me both, brother, you an' me BOTH!

Quote from: Anglachel;864344I'm sorry, i will no longer engage you as it seems you just have your own definition of things and try to pass them on as "how it is" . I think it is you who should check for reading comprehension.

Well, if you're not going to engage me...that was a rather long post to inform me.

BTW, I'm checking my reading comprehension daily, thanks.

QuoteYou can redefine all day long, talk in circles and try to pass off stuff for things it isn't but it will not make it more true than before.

"True"? You think there's one truth to RPGs or what? In that case: care to tell me what edition of D&D is closest to it:p?
Either way, I'm not interested in debating what's the original intent. Either that the developers meant to do it the way I did it, or it means me and circa 10 other people that don't know each other have found the same way of using their game pretty much independently.
I fail to care what their intent was. I know how the book I paid for works, as long as it can work in a way that satisfies me:D!

QuoteI also don't know why you mix and match the whole time. Nexus was only talking combat, nothing else. And charms are an INTEGRAL part of that. So the "i am not even looking at charms" is BS.

Have you heard about combat between mortals? THAT'S the basis of the system. Charms are then added to that.
I said I'm talking about mortal-level combat. Never accepted to discuss the charms.

QuoteI was just trying to point out that you talked totally past what nexus was complaining about. But i'm done. Just keep living in your own delusions.

Please, don't extrapolate from yourself when talking about other people, it's rude;)!

Quote from: Nexus;864352Mengtzu has  been doing this for years not just this example or recently.

Maybe so. I didn't notice it before. His Exalted 201 sure had male characters.

QuoteAnd that explanation is just painful. Inverting a discriminatory practice is not an improvement and doesn't even the score.

I don't dispute that. Or rather: it might even the score, but it also creates a negative reaction.

QuoteMan, I feel old. I remember when a group of guys sitting around pretending to be lesbians was considered creepy. Now its progressive.

Anime is progressive?
It's neither, for all I care.

If nothing else, this debacle has made me want to run a Super Hero Fantasy game of my own...  So a plus, maybe?