Quote from: Snowman0147;862508I thought I was god awful at grammar.  He needs to space out a bit so people can understand him.  Not even making shit up.  Just several posts that is a wall of useless text.  Talk about all noise and no signal.

Last if you say something is intriguing please give people some context on what is intriguing.  Just don't say, "This is intriguing," and just leave it as that.  I like to know what is intriguing.

Am I like the only person who wanted to grab the poor fellow and scream "Breath!"  Cuz, those have got to be some of the longest run on sentences I've ever seen.  I got exhausted just reading them!

Quote from: Nexus;862553Not directly Exalted related but when you take into account who was banned, who did the banning its seems dodgy .

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?769225-Infraction-for-notanautomaton-6)-Two-Week-Ban

So where's the attack?  It's someone expressing his/her disinterest after seeing the result of all the work that was put into it.  It wasn't even talking about any one person, it was more the product.

Unless, of course, Zeea was worried that he hurt Exalted's feelings...

Quote from: Christopher Brady;862567So where's the attack?  It's someone expressing his/her disinterest after seeing the result of all the work that was put into it.  It wasn't even talking about any one person, it was more the product.

Unless, of course, Zeea was worried that he hurt Exalted's feelings...

Notautomaton has probably had a target on his back since that first leak thread.

I noticed that as well...personal attack is interpreted very generously on rpg.net...especially if you "attack" some of the staff "personally". So if Mod X works for company Y and you say something like "I really think they have no idea how to format pdfs" then you are "personal attack"-ing that Mod. It's idiotic.

But if you say something like "Person Z is totally incompetent" than that is totally ok, even mods do that, if that person is not one of "the protected".

That's so far past double standards i'd call it ... well, i have no idea.

It really is bias-heaven over there.

And the funny thing is, they don't see it. They still think that they uphold the rules...well at least some of them do.

Also, in keeping with a lot of the Ex 3e devs shortcomings, the mod-staff seems to have no grasp on definitions...as proven by their use of the term personal-attack.

Anyway, i am positively suprised at how well the [Exalted -] thread is doing. So that's a plus at least. Even if they are way more lenient on thread-crapping in that thread. Because if you go into a + thread and post something negative you get a warning real quick...but nobody of the mods seem to patrol the - thread and warning all those fanbois who start arguing about persons complaints or just flat out post + stuff. But hey, i still take it

Quote from: Anglachel;862574I noticed that as well...personal attack is interpreted very generously on rpg.net...especially if you "attack" some of the staff "personally". So if Mod X works for company Y and you say something like "I really think they have no idea how to format pdfs" then you are "personal attack"-ing that Mod. It's idiotic.

But if you say something like "Person Z is totally incompetent" than that is totally ok, even mods do that, if that person is not one of "the protected".

That's so far past double standards i'd call it ... well, i have no idea.

It really is bias-heaven over there.

And the funny thing is, they don't see it. They still think that they uphold the rules...well at least some of them do.

Also, in keeping with a lot of the Ex 3e devs shortcomings, the mod-staff seems to have no grasp on definitions...as proven by their use of the term personal-attack.

Anyway, i am positively suprised at how well the [Exalted -] thread is doing. So that's a plus at least. Even if they are way more lenient on thread-crapping in that thread. Because if you go into a + thread and post something negative you get a warning real quick...but nobody of the mods seem to patrol the - thread and warning all those fanbois who start arguing about persons complaints or just flat out post + stuff. But hey, i still take it

Occasionally someone of the mod staff over there pulls their head out of their ass. Only to shove it back in when they realize how bad things have gotten.

And the second post in the Ex3- thread? Is by their own definition a thread crap and would get you dinged if the situation was reversed. And wasn't done by a freaking admin.

RPG.net moderation can really turn on a dime. Back before 5ed's release there were threads full of complete venom about its development with the fig leaf of them giving "suggestions" about how to improve the developing game. Then people posted the exact same comments after the release and there was a big rash of harsh bans. Similarly after Something Ellie's ban they seem to be getting much harsher at inflammatory leftist comments on political threads while at the same time there's a rise of completely arbitrary "bad fit" permabans for newbies for pretty mild stuff.

Quote from: Anglachel;862574Anyway, i am positively suprised at how well the [Exalted -] thread is doing. So that's a plus at least. Even if they are way more lenient on thread-crapping in that thread. Because if you go into a + thread and post something negative you get a warning real quick...but nobody of the mods seem to patrol the - thread and warning all those fanbois who start arguing about persons complaints or just flat out post + stuff. But hey, i still take it

One whole, I agree with you, but when you name your - thread "Why is everyone praising 3E?" you really are kind of asking for people to come into the thread to tell you why they are praising it.

Then again, the "Let's laugh at bad art thread" is unequivocally negative in intent, yet it is full of people coming in to say the art isn't that bad, so...

I've never played Exalted and heard lots of horror stories back in the day, but some of the less Anime ideas sound intriguing. I'm not really interested in any edition particularly, but while watching the slow motion train wreck that is the 3e launch, I've seen lots of comments that the new setting is really vibrant and exciting.

Can anyone who's seen the backer's .PDF give their opinion on whether it might be worth reading for those kinds of ideas? (If I ran it, it wouldn't be with their system, so system neutrality would be an important factor.)

Quote from: Majus;862627Can anyone who's seen the backer's .PDF give their opinion on whether it might be worth reading for those kinds of ideas? (If I ran it, it wouldn't be with their system, so system neutrality would be an important factor.)

Just wait for Godbound and spare yourself the trouble.

If you really want to play in the Exalted setting, track down a copy of the first edition core book and maybe scavenger sons. It's all you really need, most of the other books actually made the setting worse.

Disclaimer: I don't have the 3rd edition book. But seeing as they created even more Exalted subtypes, I can't see how it could possibly be any better than 1st edition.

Quote from: Luca;862637Just wait for Godbound and spare yourself the trouble.

If you really want to play in the Exalted setting, track down a copy of the first edition core book and maybe scavenger sons. It's all you really need, most of the other books actually made the setting worse.

Disclaimer: I don't have the 3rd edition book. But seeing as they created even more Exalted subtypes, I can't see how it could possibly be any better than 1st edition.

I would strongly second this.

Even including the brief descriptions of the Exalted (which are not comprehensive as not all of the new Exalted types are covered), the actual setting material in EX3 barely takes up 60 pages. While I like some of the setting changes, someone trying to use the Exalted setting of Creation would be much better off using a previous edition and the ample setting material published there.

It would probably be cheaper, too, as you should be able to find physical copies of those books for very little money. I recently completed my 1st Edition collection and I was typically paying no more than $10 a book even for hardbacks in practically new condition. The EX3 PDF alone will probably run $30.

Quote from: Brand55;862640I would strongly second this.

Even including the brief descriptions of the Exalted (which are not comprehensive as not all of the new Exalted types are covered), the actual setting material in EX3 barely takes up 60 pages.

60 pages?

And I wonder how much of that is fiction.

So most of the behemoth is crunch. I guess the antagonist list is somewhere in the middle.

And some of these guys are the same ones that still go on about "Bullet stopping" Hero System books.

Quote from: Nexus;86264160 pages?

And I wonder how much of that is fiction.

So most of the behemoth is crunch. I guess the antagonist list is somewhere in the middle.

And some of these guys are the same ones that still go on about "Bullet stopping" Hero System books.

I was trying to account for fiction, art, etc. Here's how it breaks down from the Table of Contents:

Introduction - 20
Chapter One: The Exalted - 34
Chapter Two: The Age of Sorrows - 58
Chapter Three: Character Creation - 120
Chapter Four: Traits - 134
Chapter Five: Systems and Conflict - 152
Chapter Six: Charms - 250
Chapter Seven: Martial Arts & Sorcery - 426
Chapter Eight: Antagonists - 494
Chapter Nine: The Grand Panoply - 578
Outro - 630

So disregarding stuff like "The Grand Panoply" (which is an equipment chapter but does have a few words on the monetary system), the primary setting information lies in Chapters 1 and 2, pages 34 to 119. But there is chapter fiction and several full-page or almost-full-page art pieces that cut that down a bit. Looking over the PDF again, I'd guess the real number of pages of information ends up being closer to 70 or so. That would probably be stretched a bit further with information mined from the Grand Panoply and Antagonists chapters, but it would still fall well short of what you could get out of an older core book and even a single setting sourcebook.

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?769059-Exalted-3E-What-are-your-favorite-parts-that-aren-t-artwork-or-crunch

I wonder how complaints will be treated on this thread as opposed to boosters on the "-" thread.

Quote from: Majus;862627I've never played Exalted and heard lots of horror stories back in the day, but some of the less Anime ideas sound intriguing. I'm not really interested in any edition particularly, but while watching the slow motion train wreck that is the 3e launch, I've seen lots of comments that the new setting is really vibrant and exciting.

Can anyone who's seen the backer's .PDF give their opinion on whether it might be worth reading for those kinds of ideas? (If I ran it, it wouldn't be with their system, so system neutrality would be an important factor.)

If you liked the anime feel (depending on how you define that) I wouldn't bother with 3rd edition as apparently that has become Of The Devil and something that polluted that Deep Classical Mythological sword and sorcery feel the game was always meant to have.

You know, like that time Hercules and Conan rode their flying kung fu T-Rexes into battle against soul eating fairies from the Chaosphere . *eye roll*

Quote from: Brand55;862643I was trying to account for fiction, art, etc. Here's how it breaks down from the Table of Contents:

Introduction - 20
Chapter One: The Exalted - 34
Chapter Two: The Age of Sorrows - 58
Chapter Three: Character Creation - 120
Chapter Four: Traits - 134
Chapter Five: Systems and Conflict - 152
Chapter Six: Charms - 250
Chapter Seven: Martial Arts & Sorcery - 426
Chapter Eight: Antagonists - 494
Chapter Nine: The Grand Panoply - 578
Outro - 630

So disregarding stuff like "The Grand Panoply" (which is an equipment chapter but does have a few words on the monetary system), the primary setting information lies in Chapters 1 and 2, pages 34 to 119. But there is chapter fiction and several full-page or almost-full-page art pieces that cut that down a bit. Looking over the PDF again, I'd guess the real number of pages of information ends up being closer to 70 or so. That would probably be stretched a bit further with information mined from the Grand Panoply and Antagonists chapters, but it would still fall well short of what you could get out of an older core book and even a single setting sourcebook.

Thanks for the breakdown.

Quote from: Ryan L.;862556That has to be the gentlest personal attack in history.