Honestly, they were screwed from the get go.

They promised the moon and the stars and delivered two years late. People's expectations were even higher thanks to that..

Unless this game also delivered free blow jobs and mustache rides there was going to be some disappointment.

It will indeed be interesting how that [Exalted-] thread will go. Have not read into it yet, but i bet that one of two things will happen:

1) the mods close it down (after banning some of the "offenders" in the thread)

or

2) the thread becomes a joke real soon because there is more + than - and/or the people taking the - seriously will get "shot down" by the fanbois dogpiling the thread with all kinds of accusations and "you just didn't understand it" BS.

@ Ryan L. - Yeah, the "skill" of the Devs to phrase stuff clearly is...non-existant. Or to put it another way - for a game as involved as they want it to be, you'd need some folks who can really "code" sentences...aka a programmer or a mathematician (or at least someone with basic logic skills and a grasp of language and its meanings).
The big problem they have is that they can not clearly separate fluff from rules-text. The result is something that is kind of neither...neither good fluff nor a clear rule. So in other words - failed on all accounts.

Quote from: Nexus;862189It does seem like 4th Edition fans really like this game in general. At least the combat system.

Not necessarily, with myself as anecdotal evidence to the contrary. 4e only works if you have a structured power selection and GM tools to make their burden manageable. Neither exist in Ex3.

Quote from: Skywalker;862208Not necessarily, with myself as anecdotal evidence to the contrary. 4e only works if you have a structured power selection and GM tools to make their burden manageable. Neither exist in Ex3.

Which despite my dislike of it, makes 4e the better game.  At least with it, you know what to expect.

Quote from: Skywalker;862208Not necessarily, with myself as anecdotal evidence to the contrary. 4e only works if you have a structured power selection and GM tools to make their burden manageable. Neither exist in Ex3.

Of course, I wasn't speaking universally.. It definitely seems to be a trend though. You'd be one of the two people I've run across where it hasn't held up.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;861943I'd be willing to try this game as a Demetheus clone/wannabe, just to see how the unarmed combat system plays out this time.

Solar Brawl seems to be fairly powerful is a bit one note. Martial arts continues to be the grab bag of weird, themed supernatural powers it was before.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;862187Well it's good to see that the d3vs for Ex3 have taken the right lessons from 4th edition.

Given they didn't bin Storyteller and replace it with a rigorous combat system, clearly they didn't.

Quote from: Kiero;862264Given they didn't bin Storyteller and replace it with a rigorous combat system, clearly they didn't.

Sarcasm, friend.

Quote from: Kiero;862264Given they didn't bin Storyteller and replace it with a rigorous combat system, clearly they didn't.

I was kinda hoping they'd do this... but knew it would never happen. This debacle is pretty much what I expected. OH WELL.

Quote from: Nexus;862222Of course, I wasn't speaking universally.. It definitely seems to be a trend though. You'd be one of the two people I've run across where it hasn't held up.

I really love 4E D&D and had a great time running it for my group. Not a big fan of 3E Exalted.

But to be fair, my group now plays 5E.

Quote from: Anglachel;862191It will indeed be interesting how that [Exalted-] thread will go. Have not read into it yet, but i bet that one of two things will happen:

1) the mods close it down (after banning some of the "offenders" in the thread)

or

2) the thread becomes a joke real soon because there is more + than - and/or the people taking the - seriously will get "shot down" by the fanbois dogpiling the thread with all kinds of accusations and "you just didn't understand it" BS.

@ Ryan L. - Yeah, the "skill" of the Devs to phrase stuff clearly is...non-existant. Or to put it another way - for a game as involved as they want it to be, you'd need some folks who can really "code" sentences...aka a programmer or a mathematician (or at least someone with basic logic skills and a grasp of language and its meanings).
The big problem they have is that they can not clearly separate fluff from rules-text. The result is something that is kind of neither...neither good fluff nor a clear rule. So in other words - failed on all accounts.

Funny thing is, if the development crew wasn't playing things so close to the cbest and actually gave either previews or had some sort of open playtest, the rules issues could have been addressed long before it got to this point.

Instead we get this....mediocre attempt.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;862281Sarcasm, friend.

Ah, my bad.

I always get a little smirk from how the designers put such store in how the game "realistically" emulates ancient and classical cultures but have a fan base that freaks out over (mostly female) nudity where many of the cultures emulated didn't have modern western hang ups about it.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/10/29/paradox-white-wolf/

Quote from: Nexus;862347http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/10/29/paradox-white-wolf/

Yeah that is on a separate thread in this site.  Though I wish Paradox would dump Onyx Path.